• Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
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    10 months ago

    I thought they punted that question of finding if Trumps acts were in official capacity back down to lower courts to decide?

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      10 months ago

      Yes but they can always decide the lower court got it wrong and overrule them. It’s a nice way of waiting until after the election to make the decision.

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    10 months ago

    I’m aware that presidents are allowed to do what they like now, as long as it’s “official”. I’m not aware of what republicans are saying biden isn’t allowed to do, though. Can someone please fill me in?

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      10 months ago

      It’s untested. The SC didn’t define what “official” means.

      So when it comes into question, it can be kicked back up to them to decide on a case-by-case basis.

      • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.social
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        10 months ago

        The Chief Justice did give two examples, as a kind of playbook for Trump and the people behind Project 2025. The two things he mentions that for sure fall within the absolute can’t investigate/question/use as evidence/prosecute “official” acts are:

        1. pardons (they may pardon anyone for anything for any price)
        2. command their Attorney General (DOJ) - which they can then use #1 to cover them for any illegal requests they carry out
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          10 months ago

          You forgot “use the military”.

          That’s it. Use the military in any way and it’s official. Have Seal Team 6 murder your opponents, and it’s official. Drop a 2000lbs bomb on the political convention of your opponents, and it’s offical.

          What Roberts didn’t do, was say what counts as unofficial. He spent a bunch of time listing out times when the president is completely immune from prosecution, and not a single sentence for when he can be prosecuted.

          Mostly because he couldn’t think of any, Not a one because he wants Trump to be the next king.

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          #2 is because, in the election interference case against Trump, one piece of evidence being used by the prosecution is that Trump instructed his Attorney General to send letters alleging that mass voter fraud was found to several state election officials, despite knowing that claim was false.

          SCOTUS essentially ruled that even if that action could be considered a crime, Trump is immune from punishment since it’s an “official act”.

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            10 months ago

            Which is patently absurd, to be absolutely clear. Every Justice that agreed to it is a fucking liar, and should be charged with violating their oaths and treason against the Republic and its people.

            Or executed by official act. Whatever.

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      10 months ago

      “By official decree, all education shall now be free, and all debts accrued for the purposes of education are forgiven. If this should result in the dissolution of predatory lenders and universities whose business existence depends on this type of debt, then so be it. It’s time to adapt or go extinct, Jack.”

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          10 months ago

          maybe he does, let me check…

          … ah, sorry, the test results came back democrat.

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        10 months ago

        The problem is the courts would just knock it down right away. Biden could try to ignore the courts, using their own definition of immunity, but it would absolutely precipitate a Constitutional Crisis.

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              They declared the president is king. Somehow everyone loses their mind saying Trump can do anything now.

              But Biden is the current king so either the ruling means nothing or Biden can do anything now.

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                I don’t know what else to tell you. The court won’t support Biden using their ruling. It has been clearly captured in the most partisan manner.

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    10 months ago

    He should specifically do everything they ruled he can’t do but open every order with, “As an official act…” just to rub their idiocy in their faces.

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      The only way to rub their idiocy in their faces is make them suffer actual fucking consequences for once in their miserable lives, and the man they just gave the power to do that won’t.