Many users use an e-mail trick to avoid creating a Microsoft account. This has now apparently been stopped by Microsoft.
  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
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    11 months ago

    lack of local accounting means its no longer your operating system, youre now using a perpetually required service from microsoft.

    the walled garden is putting the last bricks in place. hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.

    • helenslunch@feddit.nl
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      11 months ago

      hope all you windows fans are …happy… asking apple microsoft for permission to use your own hardware.

      It’s been this way for decades, really. Apple, Google, MS, etc. Even if they let you use it without an account, they’ll literally never stop pressuring you and annoying you into signing into an account.

      • psvrh@lemmy.ca
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        11 months ago

        Apple doesn’t actually make it at all difficult to use a Mac or iOS device without an Apple account. You’re asked once during setup and that’s it. At most there’ll be a red dot in Settings>iCloud.

        • helenslunch@feddit.nl
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          11 months ago

          They do, actually. There’s a bunch of first party software you can’t remove, perpetual notifications you can’t clear about setting up iCloud, etc.

          • psvrh@lemmy.ca
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            11 months ago

            There’s one notice, and it’s in the System Settings app. And it’s a little red dot beside the iCloud section. That’s not really the same league as what Microsoft is doing, or Even Google’s nag to use Chrome across all their Web properties.

            You’re right about the first-party apps that you can’t remove, but it’s also not the same as, eg, Edge where those apps are used constantly and your preferences are reset on every update.

            On my Mac I set my browser to Firefox in 2018. It’s never reverted to Safari, not once, where Windows really wants me to use Edge and goes so far as to not just reset it periodically, but also direct start menu searches and in-app web links to an ms-edge: url instead of using the http handler.

            Apple has problems, but this isn’t one of them.

  • ofcourse@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    Wouldn’t it be possible to buy a new PC, open the box, and return it right after because you cannot set it up without internet?

    If enough people do it, may be PC manufacturers will force Microsoft to add offline setups.

    • SecureTaco@lemmy.asc6.orgEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Funny you say that, setting it up without internet is one of the few ways left to still be able to create a local account.