“When they came for me, there was nobody left to help.”
Christian right woman will support this. “He’s right, I’m not fully capable.”
Ok so
As a single WASP (ok well, I grew up protestant) male in my 30s, who has the confidence of an abandoned kitten, how exactly does this benefit me?
Like I feel like this is supposed to be about men like me getting more power over women. But I fail to see how that helps me at all.
All I can see is that they start here, remove voting rights next, then they remove the ability for women to be licensed to be doctors, or lawyers, dentists, etc. That’s gonna fuck my life up immensely.
Just so women can’t have a say? Why?
Conservative views on women are absolutely confusing. I know we have to abandon logic with them, but maybe that’s the part I don’t understand: how the fuck do I think without logic?
I can’t help but think of how this cartoon from the beginning of November got it completely backward
Eh not really getting the idea across:
looking for this?
Damn dude. I applaud your effort for a quick laugh…well, not laugh, per se.
Thank you I absolutely love Photoshop battles this was like 90 seconds in Gimp.
I would have preferred to have folded the uniforms, tucked them under their arms and gotten rid of some of the white space in the upper right but time makes fools of us all.
It’s kind of unfortunate the community never took off over here.
Man I’d love to see Photoshop battles make a comeback on Lemmy. Seems like the perfect sized community for it.
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It’s why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we’ve history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
Can’t wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: “What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!”
I wish it was only republican women losing their rights.
How ironic, that dehumanizing rhetoric is exactly how we got here.
This isn’t a leaopards eating faces thing for republican women. These women derive social, economic, and political benefits through their association with the men who hold power in our patriarchal system. By aligning with backwards gender roles or evil ideologies, they feel protected and valued within the system even as it restricts their autonomy. They know what they’re doing.
I read years ago that white republican women will put up with being treated as lesser in their circles in order to treat others as lesser. So they’re fine with being spoken down to and shuffled aside so they can feel free to yell at minorities.
They just want to sit at home during the day taking queludes and fucking the mailman.
They do, but there is an assumption that the relationship between women like that and the wealthy ruling class men they attach themselves to is reciprocal. It, of course, is not.
Take the woman who has a child by Elon Musk. Her and Musk had a romantic getaway and brief liason. She clearly wasn’t upset at being pregnant by him. There was an assumption that she’d be cared for. Even if not directly, indirectly. She definitely did not anticipate that she would actually be confined to an apartment 24 hours a day, entirely neglected without any contact from the father of her child. Nor that she’d be left with a child to raise on her own, and no support either financial or emotional or in terms of literal labor.
Call her ignorant and bigoted, both are valid criticisms. But she absolutely was not anticipating this outcome. There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
They are infuriatingly wrong. But do not be so quick to mischaracterize all conservative/fascist women as knowingly participating in the elimination of their own rights. They are systematically indoctrinated. Inexcusably, I will add. There is no justification for supporting fascists, no justification for supporting violence against women. To combat the ideology they espouse it is crucial to understand not just what they say but what they think.
There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
This may be true for some women, maybe in the “tradwife” and white supremacist circles. But if, as you say, it’s critical to understand what these women think, you have to understand that they are not a monolith. There are other motivations to consider.
I was raised in a fundamentalist, evangelical church. Within that community, there was no presumption of a hierarchical position over other women. There was only our god-given position to be subservient to our fathers, and later, our husbands. We could either obey the divine plan to someday reach heaven or disobey it and be resigned to hell. There was no in-between.
Now, a reasonable person would see this as patently ridiculous. But the problem is that reason has no place in this worldview. You doggedly follow a literal interpretation of the King James Bible, or you go to hell.
Many years ago, when I was 16, I had asked for a particular privilege. And my mother agreed to grant it if I would listen to some audio tapes that she had of a series of sermons from a woman. Now, that was unusual in itself, because women are not allowed to teach men within fundamentalist churches (Because The Bible Says So™). So this was definitely a teaching that was only meant for women. What I heard was horrifying.
The entire point of this sermon series was to teach women how to be good, submissive Christian wives. The lesson of one tape was literally that if your husband commanded you to commit murder, you would have to do it, because God put him in charge of you and your duty to God was simply to follow orders from your husband.
A woman would not be judged for breaking a commandment if she followed the direction of her husband. The husband would be punished for causing someone to break God’s commandments, but the wife would be spared because she was simply doing her duty as a wife to follow what her husband said.
Women’s agency is completely removed in this scenario. Which sounds exactly like what the men described in the article want.
Again, the problem here is that reason has no purchase in this worldview. No amount of evidence or argument is going to change their minds or magically give them a sense of agency.
I really appreciate you sharing your own experiences here, having experienced life in these fundamentalist communities. Youre right, there definitely is far more nuance to the beliefs of right-wing women than just “they feel and think X way.” For what it’s worth I’m sorry you went through that. I hope that you’re in a safer and happier place now.
It is bleak how little we can do for women who are fully indoctrinated into that worldview. They will push back against women’s rights every time. Liberation could possibly change some of their minds, but it’s impossible to predict. Deradicalization is not a task based in repeatability. It isn’t something we can do reliably. It depends entirely on the radicalized individual.
Scanning the article, the practical threat (besides crazy ideological stunts) seems to be stealth disenfranchisement of this type:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote. This would be a back-door ban on voting for any woman who took her husband’s last name and doesn’t have a passport, an estimated 69 million women. It would also disproportionately affect Republican women, who are more likely to be married, more likely to have changed their name and less likely to have a passport.
A passport always contains the current last name. If you took on a new one you have to get a new one issued. That’s standard pretty much all over the world.
Birth certificates can’t be changed and need to match, and that’s one of the forms of ID listed.
Passports aren’t free, and not everyone has one to begin with. This blatantly stonewalls women, especially underprivileged women.
Americans are pretty weird about their ID things.
Other than a driver’s license, most of them don’t have any ID.
They don’t have any sort of unique ID number either. They have a social security number, which is not guaranteed to be unique. Two people can have the same SSN. One person can have two SSNs. You’re apparently supposed to keep your SSN secret, but they’re assigned somewhat sequentially and they get leaked a lot. It’s a clusterfuck.
It is supposed to to keep your SSN secret and not carry the card with you everywhere but you have to memorize it and everyone and their dog is gonna ask for it. It is kinda scary how many times you have to give it out to random people over the phone or email.
SSNs are guaranteed to be unique upon assignment. The problem is that so many leaks have happened that nearly everyone’s has been stolen and is being used in some type of financial identity theft. The thieves are the people with two (or more) SSNs.
The Anti-DEI people hate women? Whodathunk
Imagine how little self-respect you’d have to have to be a woman and vote Republican.
Not a USA citizen, but a Hungarian, but I think some stuff still holds ground in the USA ground: They primarily think these right-wing radicals are just “jolly little conservatives”, and not radicals, since they call themselves “conservatives”. Contrary to the naive liberal belief, conservatism isn’t just a jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism, it’s just “fascism lite” which will turn full-out fascism once the checks and balances are removed, or getting extremely frustrated with social change.
And also there’s the whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” propaganda, which makes a lot of young people “skip the liberalism and fast-forward to the inevitable”, and they either want to remain conservatives because “jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism”, or they believe they can’t leave. Many also go down the hate road, and they’ll get called all kinds of names if they forgive wrongdoers who were part of a minority, and they don’t weaponize that wrongdoing into genocidal thoughts. We seriously need to counter this whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” with something. Can someone contact Innuendo Studios? I have an idea for an episode of “The Alt-Right Playbook” if he still haven’t made one on this topic.
You get more liberal when you get older. puts on pirate hat and racks shotgun
Well, if we stopped babying women and treated them like adults, then maybe this would seem more farfetched.
Unfortunately, most women think being treated as an adult is being “unfair” to them because they’re so used to being treated like children.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about
I can tell you’re upset because I said truths you don’t like.
“Truths”, bro get your misogyny out of here.
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Yeah, the longer we go without acknowledging it, the more you prove my point.
No, I already acknowledged that you’re a misogynist.
Making sure that women have very little self-respect is one of the primary functions of American Evangelicalism.
Remember the MAGA women wearing the “You Can Grab My Pussy” shirts? Not all Republican women are going to be upset by this.
I had to look that up to see if it was real, and sure enough—but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised. Utterly fucking revolting. On the other hand, the tee website display of a black man wearing it while saluting is pretty hilarious
When are they going to start coming for the black folks so we can watch Clarence Thomas squirm?
I’m not sure if the article covers it, still reading, but one of the things they want to do to disenfranchise transfoks is to require the the name on your birth certificate matches you’re legal name in order to vote.
As most married women don’t change their name on their birth certificate when they take their husbands last name, they would not be able to vote either.
Edit: The article does go into all of this.
Interesting thing about that is that, while it’s still common practice, a lot of more left-leaning women did away with taking their husband’s name years ago
Yeah my wife and I just kept our name. Its funny because over the years we sorta wish we would have done the traditional thing as it would make a variety of things easier but now apparently its becoming a brilliant move.
My wife did the same, but for unofficial stuff, she uses my last name as hers.
I took my spouse’s name because I hated my old one.
But I will happily be a class representative for the lawsuit against this bill.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. That’s bad. That’s oppressively stupid fucking bad.
Hey Americans: Don’t want to be oppressed or live in a fascist state? Immigrate to Canada! We’re hella friendly and open to people’s of all kinds, except MAGAs and Nazis and or maga-nazis
If only it was that easy…
Also to make it harder for people with non western names to vote
