Awesome that Zelensky kept his cool. Almost like he knows what to expect.
Trump and Vance calling him disrespectful, when disrespectful is their default stance, is hilarious.
Awesome that Zelensky kept his cool.
Especially when Trump was talking over him, and Zelensky asked to speak, and Trump said no you can’t speak you’ve spoken enough.
That was really disrespectful, most people would have got really pissed off at that point.
“I heard it from Putin.”
At least he got to drop that one off.
Krasnov gonna krasnov.
Trump is a volatile, mercurial, shallow fool. One minute he’s Zelenskyy’s buddy, next he’s ranting about him.
Probably got spanked by Putin for being nice, so now he’s back to being a bastard.
Congratulations, we’ve witnessed history as global American influence effectively ended. Mark this day.
Oh sure, there’ll be some leaders who’ll profess listening but no one is going to take America seriously from now on.
The wise sage is now a decrepit dotard.
As a real American I am embarrassed and very sorry to Zelenskyy and all the people of Ukraine.
Trump: “just cease fire, bro”
Zelensky: “any security guarantees?”
Trump: “just stop shooting bullets, bro”
Zelensky: “we’re defending our c…”
Trump: “YOU’RE LITERALLY WORLD WAR 3 RIGHT NOW”
“you’re wrong about what’s going on in your own country. I done seen it on ma boob toob”
What a bunch of fucking dorks, Vance and Trump are
If you are European, I would start taking heed of your government’s warnings of the past year, and understand that your country will be openly at war with Russia very soon.
if you are American, I would start getting used to the idea that Civil War is probably inevitable.
If you are Canadian, Start taking lessons from the history of Vietnam, Iraq, Finland, and Ukraine. Its going to be especially bad for us. Surrounded by enemies and our Allies an ocean away and dealing with their own war with Russia
If you are Russian, get ready to die as the bunker grandfather uses you like cattle.
If you are Chinese, get ready to win by doing nothing.
If you are a New Zealander, Any room left?
Zekensky a man of honour.
Trump a man of pure shit.
Are you sure? I dunno, Trump has a really nice looking suit… 🙄
Few takeaways:
- JD Vance is talking over a tired-looking trump who can’t follow the conversation (See, him trying to correct Zelenskyy on the date of Crimea’s annexation, claiming it was 2015, then responding to being corrected on the date that, “I wasn’t there”. Like he was there in 2015, LOL).
- This was a preplanned ambush that is the most cringe fucking thing I’ve seen in the last 5 years, from MTG’s fucking boyfriend (I wish I made this up, I really do), attacking Zelenskyy for not wearing a suite, to which he responds by saying “I’ll wear a costume after the war is over. Like yours, but maybe better”
- JD Vance is really really bad at acting. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!!! but with like a 5 second delay and with limited enthusiasm. All it does it tells you that this was the plan all along.
- Marco Rubio had a Dr Birx/drink bleach kind of moment there.
Overall the only news here is trump is really really declining cognitively. I wonder how long it will take NYT to notice that…
I’m sure the NYT has noticed, but their attorneys probably advise against making medical claims about sitting presidents. Especially since the current one is particularly litigious.
Ohh, I thought Biden was sitting president last year when they were pounding it on and on and on…
. He theatrically exclaims how the Oval office is being dIsReSPecTed!!!111!
And Trump using the Oval Office to sell another of his silly red hats for personal profit earlier in the week wasn’t disrespecting it?
Remember when he endorsed Goya beans in the Oval Office? Good times.
“I’ll wear a costume after the war is over.”
What a savage takedown, holy shit.
Zelenskyy is a class act. America doesn’t deserve to even be sitting at the same table as this guy.
All they achieved with this ambush is to show the difference in quality between Zelenskyy and trump/vance. The contrast is stark. Those two guys would have shat themselves in a reverse situation.
Fun fact: the French word for “suit” is “costume.” I wonder if Zelenskyy was aware of his multilingual pun.
It’s the same in Ukrainian (and Russian): костюм
Suit in Ukrainian is listerally “костюм”, in Latin script “kostyum”. Which is pronounced close enough.
I am not sure if it was intended, but hilarious nevertheless.
I don’t think it was an intentional pun.
I’m sure it’s intended. The man was a comedian, and he’s been criticised for not wearing a suit before. He’s had this line in the chamber for a while, now he’s showing the world how a professional deals with hecklers.
criticized for not wearing a suit
Sometimes I don’t understand people. I’d love to see more politicians in normal clothes. It’s kind of childish to expect a suit for no reason, isn’t it?
We can assume he is aware of it a lot more than the rubes in that room with him.
Honestly, the question’s stupidity wrote the pun.
I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won’t just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn’t respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over. And that’s without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump’s head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
JD Vance talking about diplomacy and accusing fucking Democrats of “beating their chest” was such bullshit I have no idea where to begin with that…which is probably the point.
How are they going to project the soft power of diplomacy when they’re in the business of firing half of the people that work in that part of the government? This administration, and this country is a sick, unfunny fucking joke just like the heads of it.
Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over.
I realize that the first half of that is speaking about what Trump thinks (as opposed to you claiming it yourself) so this isn’t me trying to contradict you, but I think it’s important that we all keep in mind the actual reality of the situation:
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Putin doesn’t respect Trump in the slightest; Trump is his useful idiot.
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To the extent that it’s true that Putin wouldn’t invade while Trump is president, it’s only because (a) neutering the US by having his patsy as President achieves pretty much all the same geopolitical goals as creating a buffer state out of Ukraine does anyway, and (b) making Trump look good as a “peacemaker” is self-serving because it helps keep his patsy in place longer.
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Trump’s not leaving in 2028, unless he’s dead.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
Trump’s not Chamberlain either. He’s Stalin, making a secret agreement with Hitler (Putin) to carve up Poland (Ukraine) like a thanksgiving turkey. (The analogy is a little awkward because Russia is playing the role of Germany in it instead of itself, but I was going by who attacked the country being carved up first.)
Well said, even if you take Trumps argument at face value it makes absolutely no sense to agree with
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Someone needs to end the reign of Trump. What a waste of energy, piece of shit. Burn in hell.
Someone close to him needs to do something, for the good of the entire world.
Plenty of old people with nothing left to lose have access to him. I’m just saying, it’d be a real shame…
That was one of the most disgusting and rage-inducing videos I’ve ever seen. I would not have been able to restrain myself from punching Trump in the fucking nose if he had talked to me like that. I’m not a tough guy or violent in any way, and the Secret Service would have killed me, but the way he yells such insulting things at a world leader who is trying to save millions of lives… holy crap. And then Vance jumps in and claims he never said Thank You. I would’ve kicked him in the nuts and said, “thank you, now I feel better.”
This was a setup from the get go. They had no intention of signing any deal. This was all to get him in front of cameras with them so they could piss on his face and act like tough guys.
Trump won’t be mean to Putin because he wants to “make a deal” but he seems to be fine insulting the fuck out of Zelensky.
I particularly love the part where he says Obama sent them sheets and Trump sent them Javelins* then pauses to look at the camera and tell the media that that’s their headline. He may be losing his marbles, but that attention whore instinct goes straight to the core
* *Not sure if that’s the military aid he tried to block in order to coerce them into investigating the son of a political rival, or if he’s just taking credit for the aid sent under Biden that he actively opposed. Either way, it’s fucking rich for him to take credit for military aid when he is personally responsible for delaying and reducing the aid Ukraine got.
