Summary
Trump and Zelenskyy’s confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced “mob boss foreign policy” serving Russian interests.
Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their “extortionate” minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump’s stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia’s 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.
This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.
This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn’t says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.
Who cares what others think of the US, it’s all a facade. Regardless who’s in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there’s a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.
Yea but freedumb! Ma guns!
Ah, the duality of the United States. An greedy evil imperialistic Nation that undermines everyone else, but also USAID is going away and people are wondering wtf they are going to do to get by.
USAID has never been anything but a tool of US imperialism and regime change masquerading as charity
Sure but we’re all used to that. But we’ve never seen a President deliberately sabotage US interests in this way.
TIL allowing homelessness, high incarceration rates, low education, poverty, lack of health care, and stagnant wages isn’t sabotaging US interests
The problem with the US is that American exceptionalism has made Americans unable to distinguish between global politics and domestic politics.
In short, other countries generally don’t concern themselves with US domestic politics, because the concept of sovereignty means countries don’t interfere in each other’s domestic problems.
He took away anyone’s right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.
You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.
What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.
It’s an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He’s a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.
Of course it is. The country as a whole is infantile since they identified enough with him to vote him in.
Hey, this country’s been infantile for a lot longer than Trump has been alive
Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they’re humiliating their victims.
half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky
People have lost their minds over a disagreement. It’s really not a big deal. Here is the real problem, Zelensky openly states his expectations during that meeting in the oval office that Russia will 1. Leave all Ukrainian land, including Crimea. 2. Pay to rebuild Ukraine. This will never happen, ever. Ukraine is free to continue the war as long as they wish and America is free Not to continue to pay for their weapons and the functioning of their government.
Yes, America is free to let Putin invade a sovereign country.
Of course this makes them chickenshit appeasers. Unreliable Russian bootlickers who are willing to abandon their commitments under the Budapest Memorandum. But they are free to do this.
Just don’t give me any of this “land of the free, home of the brave” bullshit. They’ve proven who they are, and they are not that. They’re fucking greedy imperialist cowards, friends of dictators and authoritarians. I hope they do us all a favour and just hurry their descent into irrelevance.
Once they’ve completed their internal collapse, and the pieces have been picked apart, a new Alaric will ride in and close the deal. Lasted less than 300 years. Pretty pathetic by comparison. But I guess the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
The budapest memorandum was violated in 2014 with the invasion of crimea dude. Kinda hard to re-violate them. Look, Americans are tired of being the world police, entering into endless war and conflict, and it is time all our “allies” stepped up and sent their children to the battlefield. America doesn’t always have to be the tip of the spear, pussy.
Look, Americans are tired of being the world police, entering into endless war and conflict, and it is time all our “allies” stepped up and sent their children to the battlefield.
Who ever asked for that ?
Rich, you calling me a pussy.
Your insults to my strength, courage, or dignity mean nothing to me. I’ve seen who you look up to.
Canadians came to your side in Afghanistan, fought and died for you guys, you ungrateful piece of shit. We help you all the time. I can’t recall the last time you guys helped us. Sure as fuck haven’t spilled blood for us.
Go fuck yourself you imperialist pig. And please keep blowing up your country you dumbfuck.
Edit… Hahhaaaaahhaaa the tip of the spear?!? You fucking pansies were two years late to WW2. Both the victims and the saviours, right? What a fucking joke.
It is not the disagreement per se that people are losing their minds over (though that is another topic). It is the way he and his vice president shouted at another president’s face just because he thinks acting tough and macho will appease his supporters. This is just disgraceful and pathetic. No one with a grain’s worth of sense would want a college bully as the president of the US.
Acting tough is not what his supporters want. No longer funding endless wars is. It’s really not that hard.
No, that’s what they claim to want
What they actually want is a command to trick them into feeling like they’re powerful
Interesting that you disregard what they are telling you they want and then invent a different motive that coincidentally makes you feel superior. Weird.
Haha sorry that makes no sense. What does shouting at and humiliating a president in front of cameras achieve that just stating the US won’t be a side anymore does not? It was clearly for show.
And I like your emphasis on endless wars. Stoking up endless wars and enabling the slaughter of children and civilians is apparently fine as long as you are turning a profit since %100 of republicans (and %90 of democrats for that matter) said no to Bernie Sander’s stop arms sale to Israel resolution.
It is true that Israel holds some power over both parties and they fall over themselves to grovel at their feet. That I cannot explain.
How did you get that over our Cheeto and his couch fucker vp yelling over him, knowing English is a second language to him, just yelling and talking over him, straight bullying him like he stole something. Our “leaders” are pathetic children. Can’t even stay on topic, went to the laptop, Hilary, holy fuck, these are our “negotiators” that have inserted themselves to help? America is cooked, were a fucking embarrassment. I’m ashamed to call myself American. JD making sure he gets a little camera action since president musk will be back and he’ll be the third wheel. Fuck me we suck so bad.
The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. “Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy”. Gross.
To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it
There is so much in this direction. For a fraction of the budget, you could obliterate both the Russian army and economy, without losing any soldiers. What an opportunity, what a deal. Unless you’re owned by Russia, of course.
The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it’s time to take the ride.
You know there’s something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.
You know there’s something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.
did you know there are BYD chinese cars sold all over europe.
if they are US allies - how does that happen?What a moronic thing for Trump to have said when nearly everything anyone in the United States buys/uses comes from China.
Not cars tho.
100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.
The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It’s almost unbelievable that this actually occurred…
most embarrassing moment in American history
so far.
Its wild how much damage is being done in such a short time and how powerless everyone is to do anything.
That’s the real kicker, everyone is not powerless. On the contrary, as a matter of fact, everyone is powerful. America could change tomorrow if Americans wanted it bad enough.
Almost. But some of us could tell he was a Manchurian Candidate
Most embarrassing, wtf, have you read american history past the first grade. Hell in the first chapter you’ll find ethnic cleansing of natives and the three fifths compromise. This isn’t even the first time we’ve done a shakedown like this. Half of Latin America got this treatment in the 19th century, albeit less crude and poorly executed.
Even on the regurgitating authoritarian propaganda front, in the 70s we were running diplomatic cover for fucking Polpot and playing down the genocide because we wanted to get back at Vietnam and cozy up to China.
More embarrassing than Holocaust denial and the slaughter of indigenous people?
But not quite as embarrassing as your comment history.
Dunning Kruger indeed
There’s lots of embarrassing things. There’s lots of really bad embarrassing things.
I hear the French had a most fabulous invention that could help with these sorts of problems.
The Etch-A-Sketch?
I don’t think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don’t think much of Europe is our ally at this point
I’m certainly not an ally, and I live here.
I mean, same. I hate that I’m an American rn.
Good thing we have the 1st and 2nd Amendments.
Perhaps useful idiots on the left should stop trying to take them away.
This administration and the greater right wing is the most virulent opponent of the first amendment this country has ever seen, and its not even remotely close.
How so?
America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in
We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is …problematical, at best
Illusion of choice
The sick fucks at Fox said Orange Numbnuts should receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Did Neville Chamberlain make the nomination list when he licked the sweat off of Hitler’s sack?
U.S.S.A.
We should honestly update maps to show America as a Russian state. It’s still crazy that America won the cold war, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’ve been calling it the FSA (Fascist States of America).
