Summary
Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Kamala Harris’ 2024 running mate, has suggested he may run for president in 2028.
Reflecting on the Democrats’ loss to Donald Trump and JD Vance, he admitted: “A large number of people did not believe we were fighting for them in the last election – and that’s the big disconnect.”
Walz said his life experience, rather than ambition, would guide his decision.
Though his VP campaign was marred by gaffes, he remains open to running if he feels prepared.
Is he going to play a centrists or actually move the needle?
Don’t need another “capitalist Harris”
Seemed like a genuine awesome dude, live what he’s done in Minnesota but I lack faith that in the democratic party he’ll do any good. That and he needs to work in debating…
Rather have AOC
That said better than most of the geriatric pandering democratic ineffective options.
For wast majority of Americans capitalist Harris is actually rapid communist comrade Harris. For significant majority of registered voters her existence is a rampant leftist propane and seven steps too far.
USians are firmly on the rigth, and unless you fix that, all your exciting candidates will achieve jack shit.For wast majority of Americans capitalist Harris is actually rapid communist comrade Harris.
You don’t seem like you really have a grasp on US politics.
If we look into who holds all the power, I kind of do actually. If your metric is whatever you read on Lemmy, then yeah, Americans are all very progressive and cool and gay. But 75% of them chose Trump, so it might be that they aren’t cool at all, and it’s just vocal minority in a particular bubble.
Yeah, you’re still wildly uniformed. Trump got voted in with less than 50% of the vote from something in the vicinity of a third of eligible voters.
That’s my point. 50% of third of eligible voters voted against fascism. Everyone else either actively voted for, or passively voted for by not participating, which is just as bad.
That’s just not how you count votes. It wouldn’t be an overwhelming rejection of fascism if 1% more voted for Harris.
And you still didn’t even get the number right, which kind of reinforces how you never actually knew the proportion.
That’s how you count supporters. If a person of voting age in 2024 looked into whatever is happening and decided that they don’t care if Trump wins, they are firmly in the camp of the enablers, and they are just as guilty as those who actively voted for.
I don’t know where you got your numbers, I don’t care and it doesn’t matter. 25% is the most cheritable number if we assume half of the eligible population voted. There is no open and easily available statistics on that, so it’s all estimations. If yours is correct, the numbers are even worse, so I don’t know why you’re insisting on that, but that’s again doesn’t matter.
Can you please just fucking not
We need someone who is actually going to make some changes, not another return to a milque toast centre right 70 year old white dude
Idk who needs to hear this, but Tim Walz is pretty moderate and centrist. You’re not going to unite the splintered left with Tim Walz.
The biggest barrier Democrats have is that left leaning voters are not going out and voting for them.
I have not much clue about american names except the most popular but what about running with Bernie or AOC as VP?
Bernie generally runs in the Primaries but so far has not won a primary, I’m honestly not sure if a presidential candidate can run as a VP after losing the primary, but it’s whoever wins sole discretion who they choose as their VP so AOC is definitely an option.
Something else to keep in mind is that a congressman who wins Presidency has to leave their seat in congress, which means blue -1 for either senate or house at least until the vacancy gets filled and at most until they win that district again.
There aren’t that many leftists in the USA. What leftists do exist are concentrated enough in the USA that most politicians can ignore them as they aren’t in their electorate. If you doubt either of those claims please find me a state government that is consistently progressive.
To me the left is a collection of policy stances:
- tax the rich
- singlepayer healthcare
- employees rights and benefits
- regulations against all forms of malice and negligience
- body autonomy
So the vast majority of the DNC and especially their presidential candidates check every box and these stances poll at like 60-90%. Generally more states follow this creed than not, such as California, but some things like healthcare are a little too complicated to do for a single state but the best states are blue such as Hawaii.
If 60-90% back the stance but not the party which holds it then you don’t have a problematoc party you have an information problem and an intelligence problem.
He’s a wet sandwich of a candidate.
No democrats will win until they kick out all and made sure no corporate bribe.
Tim Walz unleashed would have won this.
He was hamstrug by Harris. He’s likely the dem’s best choice for 2028.
So of course they’ll run Newsome or Shapiro or Hillary Clinton again because they’re a bunch of idiots.
The Democratic Party is finished, just like the GOP.
And Harris was hamstrung by Biden.
She could have been better.
Or she could have not played this game, that she willfully engaged in. Harris is the epitome of a career politician that rose through the ranks by doing what the party elites wanted her to do.
Once she was announced candidate, she had all the options to go for her own platform and grow a spine, if she has one. Also that is a quality that is crucial in a president, who wants to lead the supposedly most powerful country on earth.
And this shows, what the DNC wants. They dont want a strong leader. They want a puppet they can control. This is also why they were more than happy to have Biden go for another 4 years, not despite, but because of his declining mental state making him a great puppet.
Imagine the timeline where Joe got assassinated before the primaries. We wouldn’t have this bullshit timeline.
Yeah, they would have blamed all the inflation on our first woman president and used it to denounce women for another half a century. If she helped Israel she would have been called out for Genocide just the same. If she didn’t she would have been called weak and emotional, unfit to be president.
Really it was a no win situation for her.
She is a cop. She dropped out in 15th place in the 2020 primary before she was embarrassed in her home state of California. They should have never ran her and that’s why they didn’t do a primary.
Prosecutors are not cops.
I’m curious how you picture a society functioning without prosecutors. Please enlighten me.
Shit like this is why people don’t take the “defund the police” movement seriously.
She literally called herself the “Top Cop” of California… https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2016/user-clip-kamala-top-cop/4813155
Hey check out this hotshot over here with a long term memory! No, didn’t you hear she ran a perfect campaign they just couldn’t get enough celebrity endorsements…
Some of us have a long enough memory to know that ozma’s whole schtick has been shitting exclusively on Democrats for like the last year. He’s not the guy you should look to for an unbiased opinion.
The one who kept warning for months that Biden would drop out, they’d put Harris in, and Trump would win again?
The one who got himself banned for explicitly saying all he wanted to do was post negative articles about Biden at an alarming rate.
They did do a primary and Biden/Harris won. They had opposition even if you were unaware of it.
I’m not even sure how to respond to a lie that bold.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
No one is lying here. You seem to forget Dean Phillips ran against Biden. There was a primary.
Why are some on this site so aggressive while being so poorly informed?
Yep. I remember a time when the Beltway insiders were acting like Amy Klobuchar was a rising star or some such, LOL.
Ah, Klobuchar. She is the prize senator from the DFL-- their only Sr Senator. She more or less runs it. The same Klobachar who threw out every single police misconduct case given to her when she was a county prosecutor, including the murder of George Floyd by officer Derek Chauvin. She just let him walk because he was a cop.
Honestly, I just can’t hear another fucking anecdote about her Grandfather. That was her sole pivot.
Running Hillary again
The fact that this is somewhat believable is so stupid
I saw a video of him sitting down to have an earnest conversation with hardcore Trump farmers and they left liking him a lot. He’s got that “common sense” Midwestern energy on lock and I can see him gaining a lot of ground with the blue collar and rural folks because of it.
If he has pro-hunting gun views like Bernie, he’ll be an amazing pick.
I think he hunts himself. Didn’t he say that during the campaign with Harris?
Not my 1st choice, but will vote for any democrat, no matter what. I’d prefer that every republican fuck off and die, painfully.
Walz / Kelly, Kelly / Walz, Kelly / Kelly, or Kelly / AOC.
Kelly / Kelly?
Thinking there is going to be a real election in 2028 is the most optimistic thing I’ve heard in a while.
There’s going to be an election, or we’re going to learn the meaning of “All enemies, foreign and domestic”.
Please, do FUCKING NOT.
His debate performance was poor against Vance. We don’t need a kindly father-figure running against Republicans, we need an attack dog that knows police cold, who can articulate that tax cuts cost more in tax revenues than we make up in added jobs, economic growth, etc., someone that’s going to actively piss-off billionaires and then not kiss their asses once they have power… We need a leftist populist, someone that will get people fired up.
Walz is not that guy.
One lesson that I’ve seen in politics over and over again is Dems running the same candidate in a rematch, and the rematch always goes worse than the original election.
His debate performance was poor against Vance.
it was perfectly fine? He could most definitely run well after trump, due to the classic american flip flop phenomenon. Chances are he’d win, if the public is upset enough about how trump did, which right now, isn’t looking great. And probably will continue to be that way.
He’s literally obama, but white.
walz has also had a historically successful career in politics? Just look at what minnesota is doing.
Vance was polished, smooth, knew his talking points and bullshit claims cold. Walz, not so much. He didn’t have good counters to a lot of the shit that Vance was throwing out. The broad consensus is that Vance handily won the debate, much like the broad consensus was that Harris trounced Trump in the debate.
He’s literally obama, but white.
He is not even close to being a white Obama. Obama is a highly skilled orator, extremely skilled debater, and a scholar. Tim Walz connects well with people–perhaps especially well with midwestern people–but he is not a particularly strong orator, is fairly weak in debates, and is definitely not a scholarly type. They may be close on policy, although I would hope that Walz would be farther to the left than Obama was.
Run Walz if you want 8 more years of Republican rule.
I don’t know, he might be able to do it with decent advisors.
He was the one who kicked off that “Republicans are weird” messaging campaign which was incredibly effective until establishment Democrats shut it down. If he brings that sort of energy again I’d support him.
I mean he can run for primary. A lot of people should. The DNC just needs to take their finger off the scale and let the actual people decide what candidate they want.
He can run for the primary, like everyone else…
Walz/Sanders ticket, please.
Pile of dust 2028
Walz won’t even be at retirement age by 2028. That’s practically an infant in terms of a presidential candidate.
and Sanders has an amazing ability to get Republican voters on his side.
Nope. NO ONE who had anything to do with why we are where we are. Fuck the while of the dem party besides AOC and Bernie.
Yeah… it has absolutely nothing at all to do with the ninety million non-voters and over three million third party voters.
Don’t you know? It’s 1000% the Dems fault that so many people decided to stay home.
I loath the Dems but not nearly as much as the people who sat on their asses and let Trump waltz back into power, whether it be by using their vote to go third party as a weak protest, or by staying at home altogether.
This was a failure of MANY different groups of people.
“If you have a population of selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders”
Honestly, he was OK as a candidate, but he didn’t wow me, and he shit the bed in the debate which imo makes him a poor choice. He wasn’t as bad as “they’re eating the dwawgs” but he really blew it when they asked him about his time in China. All he had to say was that he was there around that time and maybe he misspoke, but what matters was the sentiment. It’s a really easy question to answer instead he just fumbled his words like crazy.
He said he’s notoriously bad at debating, and imo that’s like saying I’m really bad at taking tests. So you are saying that you aren’t good at the part where we find out what you know? You can’t articulate your positions without a teleprompter? If you can’t debate, then you must not be that fervent about them imo, and the person that takes on trump, (assuming we have a real election) needs to be able to call him on his bullshit to his face. I think Walz had way too much of an aww shucks vibe. He’s too “Minnesota Nice”. We need AOC.
I’m the opposite. I know that snappy comebacks on live stages are not what make a presidency great. Even if someone can’t give immediate responses in a debate, I can respect them if they display anger and passion when appropriate, and reason and negotiation when that’s appropriate. You might be overestimating that a president needs to be an image of perfection all the time to every single person, when our current one survived conviction as a sex offender.
The ability to do behind the scenes work is super important. It’s half the requirement. But the other half is being able to do in the moment interactions. Look at Trump/VD with Zelenski. Being charismatic and able to handle in-person negotiations with foreign leaders is hugely important.
Look at Trump/VD with Zelenski. Being charismatic and able to handle in-person negotiations with foreign leaders is hugely important.
I’m curious how you’d view that interaction? I bet those with magafied brainz think that was peak charisma, on Bronzo and “JD” "Vance"s part, while normal Americans probably look at that and think they completely shit the bed and embarrassed America.
I wouldn’t mind a big field of (good) Democratic candidates. Sanders, AOC, Crockett, Walz, they can all campaign. They can mutually have have their rivals as VP picks, and Sanders can have a public contract where the VP can remove him from office, if his age makes him mentally unfit for office.
What I would like to see, is a dynasty of (genuinely) progressive candidates of at least 24+ years. Sanders/Jasmine --> Jasmine/AOC --> AOC/???.
The Geronocrats and Republicans had the opportunity to show their worth, and have been found wanting. It is time for some new blood that truly cares about the wellbeing of Americans and the globe.
