• Gunpachi@lemmings.world
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    2 months ago

    I hope more active users move to the fediverse. That way we will have a lot of variety in content and can also potentially prevent communities from becoming echo chambers. I suppose moderation will also have to be taken up a notch for these changes to actually have a positive effect.

    • ghostrider2112@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Echo chambers are not bad when the echo is due to the majority opinions being in favor of basic human rights and equality. Giving voice to those that spew hate is not conducive to going anywhere except a circle.

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        2 months ago

        And you will be the one deciding what constitutes hate, whose voice to cut off?

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          1 month ago

          The community tends to vote with the little arrows.

          And thankfully, hate is pretty easy to identify. Take any group of people, if you don’t like one in particular, the whole group, that’s hate. I don’t like trans people. I don’t like black people. See? It’s easy.

          There is acceptable hate, and that’s based on human morality. I hade racists. I hate pedos.

          If everyone lived with that simple philosophy in mind, love thy fellow humans, not hate (except you, pedos) then the world would be a better place.

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          2 months ago

          It will be me. You have freedom of speech. I am also free to ignore, mock or ostracize you if you spout hateful nonsense near me.

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      2 months ago

      Also, more active users means more niche communities. I just realized there’s a Severance community that is medium active. One less thing I need Reddit for.

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      2 months ago

      I hear echo chamber brought up a lot but never really have seen examples of a place that doesn’t have an echo chamber.

      I think that’s just the natural result of people forming communities as opposed seeking out battle grounds for adversaries.

      Only thing that can be done is offering people the tools to freely form as many communities as they want with the main barrier being who feels compelled to join the new echo chamber community.

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      2 months ago

      prevent communities from becoming echo chambers

      I suspect this will still become a problem since we can subscribe to whichever communities we like and vice versa.

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        2 months ago

        It is a feature, not a problem.

        I have, like, this whole rich life offline. My curated list of instances and communities (plus my user block list) is just my entertainment and a small portion of my day.

        You may not believe this but I have numerous thoughts, activities and interactions that never leave a trace online. I have no obligation to drink from the firehose that is being pumped from the septic tank of the human psyche.

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      2 months ago

      Why moderation? The old internet didn’t have moderation. Why does everyone feel the need for moderation?

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        2 months ago

        The old internet was hidden behind dial-up modems and TCP-IP stacks and weird telnet and usenet protocols. This complexity worked as a filter and the people using it were mostly academics, students, techies and other nerds (me amongst them). The moment uncle Bob could poke his way through social media on his phone from the shitter, the whole thing cascaded into Eternal September and “the old internet” was lost forever.

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        2 months ago

        Trolls, bots, and scammers make them necessary at a minimum, and then the subliminal messaging from the cronies of politicians, etc. make them welcome. Bots are easier to make than ever before so you can’t compare the past with the present that easily. kbin.social died last year because of relentless spam bots posting garbage/malware links 100x/sec.

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          Computer bots always act a certain predictable way. You can filter out most bots easily based on time-based filters or other algorithms. The rest should not be moderated, except for illegal things like selling weapons, drugs, or hiring a hitman.

          Moderation is a skippery slope. Everyone wants to moderate something different. Rights want to moderates Lefts, Lefts want to moderate Rights. Moderators have the power to decide which side they are on. If we had clear laws that forbid most moderation, there would not be any discussion about it anymore. Just allow everything and deal with it.

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            2 months ago

            That hasn’t been true for a long time. Filtering bots has increasingly become more difficult, expensive, and sophisticated. Not to mention that there are still plenty of state sponsored bad actors using real people and hybrid approaches.

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              2 months ago

              What’s your solution to that? Not filtering out bots? Or manually moderating? The latter is even more expensive.