Hi guys!

I’m looking for a Proton alternative. So far I’ve seen these two recommended. I was wondering what are the pros/cons of each? Seems Tutanota offers more bang for the buck in mailbox size etc, but I’m not sure. I’d also like to have a better integration with Android, because Proton’s email/calendar apps suck big time.

Thanks!

      • OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        Its simple as hell, out of the way. Its a no fuss email that seems to have all the features you’d want. It just works. Carbon neutral and all the good stuff we all like to boot.

  • Telorand@reddthat.com
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    2 months ago

    Mailbox.org offers 2GB of space for their free tier, and Tuta is 1GB.

    But I would just look at the recommendations on privacyguides.org. They break down what each service does well and what things you should know, like how Mailbox uses PGP and Tuta uses some other (valid) encryption method.

    • muhyb@programming.dev
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      2 months ago

      Didn’t know Mailbox had a free tier! Gotta check that out.

      Edit: Mailbox still doesn’t have a free tier. It’s just a one month trial.

  • CatsGoMOW@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    As far as I’m aware, there is a huge difference between these three in that Mailbox.org is not end-to-end encrypted. So if that is an important feature for your use case, that may disqualify them from your options.

    • Jack Riddle@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      However, mailbox can still be encrypted with pgp, and has some built in supports which make this easier.

      One problem I had with proton/tuta is that you cannot use a third party app due to the encryption, which you can with mailbox. A problem I have with mailbox is that it does not support fido2 for login or 2fa, which could be a security concern.

    • droplet6585@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Email is never “end to end encrypted” outside of layering something else on like PGP- which you could use with any email service.

      • CatsGoMOW@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Mailbox encrypts the email at rest on their servers but with the encryption keys they own. Protonmail, in contrast, uses zero access encryption where they encrypt your data with your public key and they do not know or have access to your private key to be able to decrypt the data even if they wanted to.

        Mailbox has a zero access encryption service called (I think) Guard that basically encrypts the email with PGP where they would no longer be able to decrypt your email. But it’s not enabled by default.

        • easily3667@lemmus.orgEnglish
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          2 months ago

          That’s true once it’s received, but it’s still processed by proton and now we know they are pro-nazi so who knows what they would do.

          You can avoid this with pgp as stated (default for proton to proton messages), but I don’t think it’s worth considering the at rest encryption at proton anymore.

  • Noble Bacon@lemmy.mlPortuguês
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    2 months ago

    Take a look into Posteo if having a custom domain is something you can live without.

  • drkt@scribe.disroot.org
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    2 months ago

    I don’t know mailbox.org but tuta will try to upsell you, eventually. It’s going down the same path as Proton is so maybe stay away from it if you want to get away from Proton.

    • AkashicOwl@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I’m sorry, english is not my first language but what do you mean by advising to stay away from Tuta?

          • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Oh lol.

            tuta will try to upsell you

            “upsell” refers to a sales tactic, where a salesperson keeps trying to convince you to buy something more than you might need. Basically, you want to buy a $200 TV, and the sales person tells you: “Hey this $700 TV is much better, it has 8K High Definition, Premium Speakers… etc, etc…”

            And then you say: “No thanks, I just want the $200 TV 😅”

            But they keep repeating the $700 tv over and over and it gets annoying. That’s what the user is claiming that Tuta is doing.

    • araneae@beehaw.org
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      2 months ago

      I just got on Tuta and don’t want to do this every 3 years forever. Can you elaborate on Tuta upselling the customer? I just need reasonable encryption, basic mail service, and for my data not to be in the hands of psychopaths.

      • drkt@scribe.disroot.org
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        2 months ago

        Every once in a while they’ll send you an email with special CSS styling so you can’t avoid seeing it and you can’t unsubscribe from it. They call it a newsletter. It’s advertising. It’s less news and more begging you to buy more of their stuff. Very occasionally they’ll bump new features onto a higher tier but still show that feature in your UI, with special CSS styling. God forbid if they try to upgrade your account but you deny because you’re happy with the features you have now and the amount you pay; they push harder and harder the longer you’re on a ‘legacy’ tier.

        It happened to me. It’ll happen to you.

  • ijustwantwellbeing@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Tutanota for max security (no imap/pop3 support). Other services for using IMAP/POP3. But really, you shouldn’t be using email anyway if your goal is max security and privacy, simplex.chat is better for that.

    • iturnedintoanewt@lemm.eeOP
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      2 months ago

      Sigh…right. But people DO need email. For banks. For taxes. For governments, healthcare, and lots of other crap.

      So yeah, I’m skipping the whole “encrypted mailbox no-knowledge”, since it’s both cumbersome and useless unless anyone around you ALSO uses it (otherwise, those super private emails can be way more easily intercepted during transit than in your inbox anyway).

      I just want some attempt at privacy from some EU nation while keeping some decent interoperability.