• bouh@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.

    To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not anything else.

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      2 months ago

      the powers trump is using now is not actual presidential powers and I would not see it used by their guys or ours. congress is the one who could have stopped this. mainly back when trump was in office and going through with the impeachment.

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      Damn… I’m going to keep “not a fault, it’s a failure” in my back pocket. I’ve never heard it put that way when discussing a screw up that wasn’t really someone’s fault (in this case Biden, but could be Dems or even situations not politics related)

      I feel being critical without blaming unfairly is a huge part of my personality, and so this type of convo actually comes up kinda frequently in my life, since so many people struggle to see gray areas between right and wrong, at fault and not at fault.

      But what you said is a perfect way to better ensure that the meaning doesn’t get lost to blaming, after which the conversation is usually a lost cause.

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      Is Biden also to blame for Trump’s first 4 years? It’s the people’s fault! It’s your damn fault too! The world is still waiting for riots and precautions of election manipulation etc. But nothing comes from you. Just peaceful protests while trump pisses in your faces.

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        No hut the DNC definitely is for sabotaging sanders and his supporters to ensure the neo liberal class dictatorship could continue and prevent any platform movement to the left that might vaguely resemble a new FDR presidency

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          And you are sabotaging yourself by letting a whole different party create a set of bigger problems because you’re focused on things that don’t matter right now.

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      2 months ago

      Are police also “responsible” for “letting crime happen”? I don’t understand the reasoning here.

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        2 months ago

        How would you consider a policeman watching a crime happen and do absolutely nothing about it?

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          Very bad, very very bad.

          But I’d still hold the trial for the person who committed the crime itself before charging the police officer. But there’s also a third party here, which is the people. The people said, while the policeman was supposedly idly watching, that “yes, this criminal can [be president and] do whatever he wants”. 😐

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            2 months ago

            No one is holding a trial here. The metaphor cannot be milked forever. 8t was a bad metaphor to begin with. So stop with it.

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        See how long you last as police chief if you choose to not suppress crime.

        So yeah, police are explicitly responsible for minimising crime, that’s literally their job.

        I admit there’s some nuance there since police aren’t expected to actually prevent all crime. In this metaphor I guess the question is whether Trump is a bog standard criminal that maybe gets around the police but is kept mostly in check, or if he’s a special level of super-criminal that police chief Biden should have his career judged against.

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          The thing is, the people chose to have crime. They were presented with a criminal, and chose him. And I’m not even following the metaphor anymore either; he’s literally a criminal. The police can’t fight crime if the majority of people want crime.

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      I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. Biden didn’t open the door for Trump, but he did stand aside. Bernie would have shredded Trump … but you know, apparently primaries are the devil.