• Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Worse; you could buy people from the silk road. Wives, children, nanny’s slaves… Along with military equipment, drugs ofc, stolen goods, and pretty much anything illegal that has a buyer.

    Had a friend that liked buying drugs there, and would send me screenshots of some of the insane ads he found. He was pissed when it got shut down, and moved to a market called ‘Agora’.

    Broke off that friendship quite a while ago and haven’t heard about it since. Not really my scene…

    • glimse@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      This isn’t true, there was no category for buying human beings. I don’t even think hitmen were allowed to offer their services.

      Military equipment and stolen goods, absolutely. Hacked accounts, too. But any ad he found was either promptly removed or was never on The Silk Road to begin with.

      Other non-drug markets did exist at the time but I never went on them so I can’t confirm if they were selling slaves.

      • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I wish I’d have saved some of those images; I can assure you they did exist. I don’t think it was a prominent part of the site, with their main focus on illegal substances/goods, but it was definitely there.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Someone who definitely wasn’t me often browsed the whole site in awe at what was sold and never saw anything like that

          I’m not saying he didn’t find them, but I am very confident it would have been against the ToS. The admins had a pretty hard line stance on it because it would take the site from “very illegal” to “extremely illegal”

    • Lowpast@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      False, no human trafficking, cp, or hitmen services were allowed and were promptly removed, except when Ross him self tried to buy one. Obviously people attempted to hide their sales, just like they do in the clearnet, but the site had a policy against many things.

      • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Maybe they weren’t permitted/encouraged, and eventually got removed, but you could definitely find them there. I wish I’d saved images; but this was 15years ago.

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Decriminalised use/possession, for sure.

      But I always think the libertarian “just legalise all the drugs” is just odd.

      Regulated? So you mean preventing people from taking really stupid shit? Sounds great sign me up lol

      People gotta accept there are trade-offs to living in a society, and one of those is that there’s a limit to which we allow each other to get high. Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)

      You wanna take shit like meth? Cool, go out to the woods and never use socialised medicine where workers are at risk from people on such drugs, or just randoms walking down the street.

      I don’t think taking hard drugs should put you in prison, or even give you a criminal record, but actually legalising the distribution? Nah. Go live in the woods/hills away from everyone else.

      • s23b@programming.dev
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        2 months ago

        Because there are some drugs that make people aggressive, and I personally think these ought to be curtailed where possible. (Again, not a “war on drugs” style curtailment. But distribution, still illegal and criminal)

        The first such drug that comes to my mind is alcohol. Its distribution was also criminalized in the past, eventually leading to an increase in organized crime.

        • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          There is of course nuance to this, and I don’t claim to be an expert on classifying drugs. Though, I don’t reckon I need to try to hard to argue that there are drugs far worse than alcohol out there. I’m simply stating a blanket “all drugs should be legal” is overkill.

          Alcohol certainly is ripe for abuse, also.

            • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              2 months ago

              I honestly never heard the term “tankie” before a few days ago. What is it? Extremist communists?

              • danciestlobster@lemm.ee
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                2 months ago

                That’s pretty much it, yeah. It’s worth noting, there is a lot of animosity on here, particularly from .world, for .ml and .hexbear instances. Both are heavily communist, far left communities, and get a bad rep because they are known for not accommodating liberal or other not as left viewpoints. This was particularly heated around the election with disagreements about voting for liberals vs protest voting.

                Fwiw I’m a strong believer if we are to organize against literal fascism we will need the liberal and the farther left to find enough common ground to work together. It’s a…work in progress on here.

                • nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  db0 (my instance and @[email protected]’ ) is a leftist anarchist instance and I’d say the animosity towards tankies is even stronger here.

                  it’s not anything to do with liberals vs leftists it’s that they handwave genocide and other atrocities as “western propaganda” and worship lennin and mao and stalin and north korea and so on and so forth.

  • Kahless@infosec.pub
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    2 months ago

    Ross Ulbricht’s release was a deal with the Libertarians for their endorsement. Silk Road did not offer weapons and he did not hire a criminal to murder anyone. The FBI staged the whole thing. They forced his old roommate to pose as a murder victim. He later appoligized. A pretty messy affair and Ulbricht’s release is justified. Even though Trump only did it to gain Libertarian votes.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    If any of these worthless politicians actually gave a shit about drug abuse, they would end prohibition and offer basic social services.

    Never gonna happen regardless of the politician’s brand.

    • 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it
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      2 months ago

      All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

      • killingspark@feddit.orgEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I will never understand how ruining someones life because they are using drugs is supposed to help them get off of drugs.

        Edit: don’t get me wrong, it’s great that this has been researched, but it seems so obvious.

  • Anivia@feddit.org
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    2 months ago

    As much as I hate Trump, I don’t think this is the “gotcha” it is being portraied as by this tweet. Silk Road was one of the best things to happen for the “safer use” movement of all time. The ability to not have to deal with shady street dealers and order from darknet suppliers on a platform that had legitimate reviews and an escrow system was a huge improvement to the safety of drugs users. It meant a much lower risk of contaminated drugs or getting scammed out of your money.

    Of course Ross allegedly also attempted to hire a hitman, which is how he got caught, cause the hitman was an undercover agent, so he allegedly is not a good guy regardless of how you think about him helping people get access to cleaner drugs, but that’s besides the point the author of the tweet is trying to make

    • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      People died from overdoses not to mention lots more ruined lives. I get you like the idea of drugs that are safer to order but that does not make it a good thing.

      Also lots of child pornography, murder for hire, human trafficking, and all kinds of other shitty things took place. So yeah, not exactly a good thing.

  • miak@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I agree that Trump doesn’t care about the fentanyl issue. If he did, he’d be ending the war on drugs.

    I would like to point out, Ross Ulbricht was sentenced for running a website, to double life plus 40 years in prison without possibility of parole. It was a bullshit sentence that came at the end of a trial of questionable integrity. The fact that neither Obama or Biden pardoned him is one more embarrassment for the Democrats.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      “Sir I did not bring in tons of cocaine across the border, I only drove a boat”. Is essentially your argument.

      Now I’m not against what the silk road was initially supposed to be, but this guy took it to a whole new level of fucked.

    • glimse@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      He was not sentenced for running a website, holy shit man. He paid to have people killed and in at least one case believed it happened (it didn’t, the hitmen were all scammers or law enforcement)

      Let’s not paint a rosy picture of Ross Ulbrecht here.

  • cowfodder@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Did this stupid mother fucker really refer to the Prime Minister of Canada as “governor”? Can tell if pushing the 51st state bullshit or he’s just that fucking dumb!

    • mkwt@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Canada at least has a “Governor-General” who is appointed by the British monarch.

      Edit: like several other commonwealth states, Canada is a completely separate country from the United Kingdom. It just happens, by law, that King Charles III is the king of all of them.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        When talking about what Charles III is doing in relation to Canada in his position a king, we’re supposed to refer to him as the monarch of Canada, we just don’t tend to do it because he doesn’t live here full time.

    • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      He thinks speaking diminutively to people automatically puts him in a position of power over them

      It’s an insecurity issue common with bullying

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      He has been for a while now, which is actually a violation of the US’ nato obligations. But who care anymore, the US is no longer an ally.

      Edit: it also violates a ton of border treaties, and half a doze international agreements the US has benefited from for a long time. But just with NATO:

      Key points of the treaty

      • The parties agree to settle disputes peacefully
      • The parties agree to refrain from using force in a way that goes against the United Nations’ goals
      • The parties agree to consider an attack on one of them as an attack on all of them
      • The parties agree to consult about threats and defense matters
      • The parties agree to safeguard the freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples
      • The parties agree to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area

      Threatening Canada violates all of these and then some.

  • BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Fun facts!

    85% of people arrested with fentanyl at the border as U.S. citizens.

    The vast majority of people arrested here for trafficking children are U.S. citizens (and children are over 3x more likely to be trafficked by an acquaintance or relative than they are a random kidnapper).

    “Illegal aliens” commit less crime than natural born U.S. citizens.

    Violent immigrants, perverted trans people, and incompetent DEI hires are all moral panics. You hear so much about them because the Republican party has nothing to offer that will make your life safer or easier.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              2 months ago

              Well due to double jeopardy he can’t be tried again for the crime he’s already been acquitted for due to lack of evidence and police corruption, but you’re free to lick any boot you wish, and judge people based on all the untrue lies directly from the police you want to, it’s understandable!

              I’m assuming you also believe police like Derek Chauvin then, since he was also convicted and convicted corrupt cops are somehow trustworthy to you? No? Well by all means believe these corrupt cops and not those corrupt cops, corrupt cops can be right twice a day or whatever, even when they’re stealing millions of dollars of bitcoin from the guy they’re fabricating evidence against, that doesn’t mean that the fabricated evidence is fabricated!

              Why is there no “jerk off with eye roll” emoji? The world needs it.

          • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            “Innocent until proven guilty” doesn’t exonerate a person from personal judgement based on facts simply because they have not been convicted in a court of law.

            Edit -

            Also, just because a case has been dropped doesn’t mean they weren’t guilty. Based on evidence, it’s more than reasonable to state he attempted to have someone assassinated.

            You’re also going to need to provide more supporting information than a single article that’s a clear opinion piece written by a business that is biased towards supporting Ulbricht. You also share this bias being an apparent libertarian yourself, which could imply you cherry-picked this article.

            Not that I can’t change my mind, but that one link ain’t gonna do it.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              2 months ago

              Yes yes “even though there was no evidence and those cops were convicted of corruption I’ve decided to believe them because I like police when they go after those bad bad webdevs.”

              Whatever my dude. I’ve provided an article that cites sources and you’ve provided “nuh uh” as a rebuttal. I do not care about you and never will, be as dumb as you want it’s a free country.

              • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 months ago

                There is evidence, though. I provided a reputable source that states such. So, you’re just misrepresenting my point.

                The government also presented evidence that DPR commissioned the murders of five people to protect Silk Road’s anonymity

                • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  2 months ago

                  https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/silk-road-drug-vendor-who-claimed-commit-murders-hire-silk-road-founder-ross-ulbricht

                  Yes, the allegations of a drug dealer who was himself caught are very reliable indeed, even though the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence and the agents charged with corruption involved with the case, we should believe the corrupt cops and cornered rat over the other guy and he should rot in prison forever for the thing that was dismissed due to lack of evidence and corruption, JUSTICE!

                  Btw, while this source backs your claim (that I never disputed) that he was accused of these crimes, you’re gonna hate this part:

                  The charges contained in the Indictment are merely accusations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

                  Now where have I heard that before? Oh yeah when I said it (among other places.) Interestingly enough the whole “proven guilty” part is the bit that never happened.

  • BobGnarley@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I mean, the dude deserved to be free the entire time. First off Fentanyl laced shit wasn’t even really a concern back in 2008 when he was doing his thing.

    Also, no one that got on that site and ordered something did so against their will. Adults should have the freedom to choose what they do to their own bodies.

    Also did you know that the actual drug dealers on that site got max 11 years? The DEA agents who stole his bitcoin and during the investigation (protect and serve right?) Got SIX YEARS. They sentenced Ross to death in prison.

    Prostitution and drug use should be regulated and controlled. Then magically, all the diseases and shit would take a sharp turn downward. Almost like they don’t want things to be safer for a perceived “undesirable” class of people.

    But all this shit acting like he was some terrible dude who deserved to die in prison is absolute bullshit. Please fuck off with that shit.

  • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
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    2 months ago

    Fentanyl is so bad it is prohibied even on deep web illegal marketplaces. Do some research before spreading lies. A lot of stuff was not allowed on the silk road.