Crypto, followed by NFTs, followed by LLMs… The GPU market has been fucked for years now. Whenever something starts to drop off, another tech bro idea that requires 10,000 GPUs to process takes its place.
The Crypto to AI transition was brutal. Just as demand for GPUs was coming down because people were starting to use ASICs to mine Bitcoin, along comes AI to drive up non-gaming demand again.
The only good news is that eventually when the AI bubble pops there will be massive R&D and manufacturing geared towards producing GPUs. Unless something else comes along… But really, I can’t see that happening because the AI bubble is so immense and is such an enormous part of the entire world’s economy.
Truly just the brute force solution. Need a shitload of compute? GPUs can do it! No one stops to think if we really need it. It’s all about coulda, not shoulda. Yeah, ML and AI has a place, but big tech just thinks “slap an LLM everywhere”. Just such horseshit
The 9070’s on eBay are getting cheaper and cheaper the further we get from the launch. I think scalpers underestimated AMD’s stock and they are slowly discovering that.
Immediately after the launch the XT seemed to be starting at $1,200. Now they are down to $800. The non-xt is down to $650.
Depends on how much stock AMD can provide in the coming weeks and months, but I’m still thinking I’ll be able to get one at MSRP this year.
I’m not sure where you are seeing this but on eBay they are still showing a ton of cards from 12-1800.
This shit is a problem and only the apathetic retailers can fix it.
It still see them more around 800-900€ which is more than what i paid for a 7900XT wtf
In Germany the official Gigabyte shop sells those for 1141€. This is completely nuts.
Probs the only reason for many to buy a console these days. For the cost of a high end GPU you can get an entire system and some games.
Been that way for years. There was a brief respite when people were switching to ASIC bitcoin mining and away from GPU intensive mining and you could actually get a GPU for a fair price, retail, non-scalper price gouging.
Now it’s right back to basically unaffordable for a name brand GPU. Literally more than a mortgage payment.
I wish my mortgage was that low.
It’s pretty okay if you’re like me, i.e. have no needs above full hd res and can either take or leave rtx
It should still be better. Or at least cheaper.
IDK. I see plenty of RTX 3060’s and 4060’s around for relatively cheap, but I didn’t follow the evolution of PC components in years, and my GTX 1060 still works, lol.
Funny thing about AMD is the MI300X is supposedly not selling well, largely because they priced gouge everything as bad as Nvidia, even where they aren’t competitive. Other than the Framework desktop, they are desperate to stay as uncompetitive in the GPU space as they possibly can, and not because the hardware is bad.
Wasn’t the Intel B580 a good launch, though? It seems to have gotten rave reviews, and it’s in stock, yet has exited the hype cycle.
Intel b580 still showing out of stock everywhere I normally look.
Well the B580 is a budget / low-power GPU. All the discussions going around are for flagship and high-end GPUs. Intel isn’t in that space yet, but we can hope they have a B7xx or B9xx lined up which makes some waves.
I just kept an eye on Micro Center’s refurbished cards for a few weeks and was able to snag a 3090Ti late last year with a 3-yr warranty for the same price I paid for a 980Ti in 2015.
I am not really interested in modern gaming, but I needed a 16GB NVidia GPU for the AI/ML course I’m currently doing. I wanted to get a 16GB 4060Ti, but they were out of stock literally everywhere. In the end I gave up and got a 12GB 3060. It’s not as good as what I wanted, but at least it was cheap and readily available.
I got tired of the whole GPU, PC building thing. It’s something that everybody should do once in their life if only to learn how computers are put together. However, at a certain point, I just want come home, sit down and play games without having to fiddle around with drivers, so I bought a console.
Is this a bait? Swapping parts once per few years was THE reason to choose something you can’t even likely repair?
My RX480 from 2016 is still kicking, if crashing a bit. At this rate when it breaks I’ll just use my steam deck docked instead of selling my liver to buy a new GPU
About a year since I upgraded from my RX580 and I only did it because I got an amazingly stupid deal on a RX7600 ($175 about 3 months after launch). Otherwise, the card is fine and is, in fact, still being used on my cousin’s PC.
I saved up 2k over a year for a 5090. Gave up and bought a last gen AMD card with a waifu on it and may get a new phone with the left over.
You know, I was thinking about upgrading my graphics card this year along with the rest of my PC but I think I can squeeze a couple more years out of my 3060 TI at this rate.
I squeezed 7 years out of my 1070 before I replaced it.
You can easily get another 2-4 years out of your GPU. A 3060ti isn’t even old.
I’m having a good time on a laptop with no fancy graphics card and have no desire to buy one.
I also do not look for super high graphical fidelity, play mostly indies instead of AAA, and am like 5 years behind the industry, mostly buying old gems on sale, so my tastes probably enable this strategy as much as anything else.
Modern high end iGPUs (e.g. AMD Strix Halo) are going to start replacing dGPUs in the entry and mid-range segments.
I’ll be honest, I have never paid attention to GPUs and I don’t understand what your comment is trying to say or (this feels selfish to say) how it applies to me and my comment. Is this intended to mostly be a reply to me, or something to help others reading the thread?
Your laptop uses an iGPU. The “i” stands for integrated, as it’s built into the same package as the CPU.
The alternative, a dGPU, is a discrete part, separate from other components.
Thank you for explaining! I am not sure why people are reacting badly to my statement, is knowledge of GPUs something every gamer is expected to have and I am violating the social contract by being clueless?
Well at one point to be a computer gamer you basically needed to put together your own desktop PC.
Integrated GPUs basically were only capable of displaying a desktop, not doing anything a game would need, and desktop CPUs didn’t integrate graphics at all, generally.
So computer-building knowledge was a given. If you were a PC gamer, you had a custom computer for the purpose.
As a result, even as integrated GPUs became better and more capable, the general crowd of gamers didn’t trust them, because it was common knowledge they sucked.
It’s a lot like how older people go “They didn’t teach you CURSIVE?” in schools nowadays. Being a gamer and being a PC builder are fully seperatable, now, but they learned PC building when they weren’t and therefore think you should have that, too.
It’s fine, don’t sweat it. You’re not missing out on anything, really, anyway. Especially given the current GPU situation, it’s never been a worse time to be a PC builder or enthusiast.
Oh boy.
I did learn cursive, but I have been playing games on laptops since I was little too and was never told I had to learn PC building. And to be completely honest, although knowledge is good, I am very uninterested in doing that especially since I have an object that serves my needs.
I have the perspective to realize that I have been on the “other side” of the WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU’RE SATISFIED, LEARN MORE AND CHANGE TO BE LIKE US side, although I’m exaggerating because I don’t actually push others to take on my decisions. I don’t spam the uninterested to come to Linux, but I do want people who get their needs adequately served by Windows to jump to Linux anyways because I want to see Windows 11, with even more forced telemetry and shoved-in AI and things just made worse to fail. Even though that would actually be more work for satisfied Windows users. But I would not downvote a happy Windows user for not wanting to switch, and that kind of behavior is frowned upon, is it just more acceptable to be outwardly disapproving to those who do not know about GPUs and are satisfied with what they have with zero desire to upgrade?
Laptops (and desktops) with no GPUs will become increasingly viable not just for older games. This was a general comment. :)
I’ve been using minipcs with integrated graphics ( and one with a laptop class GPU) instead of desktops and see no reason to stop.
Same here, have never owned a graphics card in my life. When I occasionally do want a modern game it doesn’t need to be 200FPS RTX.
And there hasn’t been another option for years but I’m seeing an awful lot of buzz for the PS5 Pro with people ditching PC and enjoying that more casual, sofa with a controller approach.
This doesn’t sound true. I can no longer name 1 friend who prefers console and PS5 pro launch was pretty terrible. Hell, even I got back into PC gaming thanks to VR
Buzz for the Pro? All I’ve seen is people sneering at the lack of games taking advantage of the extra capabilities and the price.
I still think the base model is a better deal.Totally. Base is much cheaper. Especially the digital version. I think those looking at GPUs at twice the price of a PS5 Pro are given a new option though and my observation is that they’ve been vocal about it
