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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.
Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.
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So, it’s treason then
Yep, it’s treason. And it’s not just one guy.
An entirely treasonous party.
If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.
The old Republican party is dead. Now it’s only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.
And so far the “land of the brave” is rolling over and letting them do it.
Someone should invade Rubio’s house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they’ll leave.
FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO
shithead.
Has he proved his citizenship?
At the rate we’re going, I wouldn’t be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn’t be surprised.
I would assume they’re getting the Intel already. The entire administration is comprised of Russian assets and useful idiots. Even if the info isn’t being handed to them directly, all the existing security is being ripped to shreds and the teams that would counter any threats have officially been told to ignore Russia completely.
That said, I wouldn’t put it past Trump to publicly give Intel to Russia, but only because he’s an idiot and assuming there is a low he won’t sink to his always a losing bet.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re already in a slow rollout for him to go public with support for Russia. The deal could be that Russia and US split Ukraine in some way, whether it stays as “Ukraine” with installed leadership or blatantly annexed.
The problem is the maga cult and the Republicans in congress who would support it. The maga masses will lap up whatever propaganda they’re fed like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter. But what the fuck are the Republican leadership thinking? At that point the US has fallen, but maybe it already has and we just don’t know yet. But maybe not… time will tell.
Trump wants russia blessing when the US invades Greenland.
I’d say it’s a given at this point.
Trump has offended pretty much all of our major trade partners, so we need a new market to sell US goods as well as replace our imports. As it just so happens, Russia desperately needs goods due to the sanctions and has a reduced manufacturing capacity as a result of marching all their young (and not so young) men into a meat grinder. And even though Putin is a backstabbing, murderous, KGB thug Trump knows that he won’t touch him, because Trump’s just too useful of a flunky.
Granted it’s a morally repugnant move, but when has that ever stopped Trump?
I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.
I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.
We negotiate with terrorists all the time.
US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It’s like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.
‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.
That US never existed.
it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.
id probably just try to suck their dick or something
Thanks nutsack
don’t rob my house I’m serious
Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.
Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.
Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were upset with Democrat’s handling of foreign affairs?
Clown country.
I’d do it again, rather get expropriated and deported from this micky mouse country than use what little political input I have to endorse a genocide
Do you remember when the Biden Harris administration provided military, financial and diplomatic support for a genocide that lead to hundred of thousands of casualties? No wonder people didn’t want to vote for them.
And that’s after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.
Mexico would have all the right to take back “New mexico” you hypocritical idiot. The US stole it in the first place?
That’s not a good example, the US does not rely on the UK to defend itself.
It’s a hypothetical scenario. I could think of some better examples if you really wanted, but that’s the most salient one I could think of off of the top of my head, because you know if the United States was attacked, we would expect the international community to fall behind our right to defend ourselves from any and all threats to our sovereignty.
I don’t see why things should be any different when considering Ukraine’s position.
Likely true if we’re being real but… You don’t say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.
Ukraine is winning. That’s why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.
If your news isn’t telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.
Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I’m not there, I don’t get any input on the decision, but I’m absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn’t ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.
51% of respondents in December 2024 said that Ukraine should not give up any of its territories “under no circumstances… even if this would prolong the war and threaten the preservation of independence.”
https://kyivindependent.com/38-percent-ukrainians-territorial-concessions/
Serious question: do you have a news source that backs this up?
Last I checked Ukraine is ceding a lot of ground in Kursk. Are you saying that’s all a lie?
Kursk is Russia - Ukraine have no intentions of keeping that land. It server its purpose of draining Russian resources well.
negotiator
I don’t believe that Rubio has earned that distinction in the slightest, even in a derogatory manner. In fact, I am pretty sure that he has only ever once walked onto a used car lot and that resulted in only two things happening. One, learning that he ought not walk onto a used car lot. And two, the true value of a high mileage Jeep.
He’s a negotiator in the same way the drive thru person at McDonalds is a negotiator.
Oh fuck off, Rubio.
“Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”
- Little Marco in a week
“we’ve tried nothing and we’re already out of ideas”
Rubio is a Russian asset
lmao so the US coup’ed the USSR in the 90ies by sponsoring fascists, but somehow the US becoming fascist is because of russia?
The mental gymnastic of the jingoists I swear
That sounds like Russia. Took 30 years to do something we did in less time
get lost troll.
I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.
This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.
Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?
Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.
Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.
Don’t need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.
NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.
Almost all of the NATO countries want Ukraine to join except for Russia’s lapdogs, ergo: Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.
Not really, even France & Germany are not so keen on Ukraine joining NATO now.
Now you’re just parroting talking points from the Kreml.
None of these statements actually back a Ukrainian bid to join NATO today.
NATO is not a guarantee anymore. Trump openly said that if specific European NATO countries will get attacked by Russia then there will be no response.
NATO is more than the US
Yes, the ones who don’t meet the defense spending targets.
Dang. Anything for you guys to believe “this time!” will work.
Problem is, Ukraine already had guarantees. And they were ignored
Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.
Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.
If Ukraine didn’t make concessions for a peace deal, Russia will just continue winning the war and Ukrainians will have even less.
Sorry to all the new people in this world that fell for the propaganda machine. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for you all (it won’t.)
When did they lose the war though?
Just look at Kursk, Velyka Novosilka and Chasiv Yar and ponder for a bit if they are winning or losing.
How much of their territory is under occupation vs. a month ago? By your logic, the USSR should have capitulated in 1942.
This war has so far been a series of quick UA gains slowly recaptured by Russia before more quick UA gains. Russia has held more of UA before. What changed since the siege of Kyiv that makes it make sense to capitulate? That was a worse situation, yet here we are, years later and Kyiv is still Ukrainian, and the VDV has still not recovered.
Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.
I’ve been hearing the line that Ukraine is losing for three years now. Pretty sure if Russia could win this conflict, they would have done so already.
I’ve been hearing the line that Ukraine is losing for three years now
And how have the frontlines moved over said 3 years?
With Ukraine failing to take back their occupied territory, but striking at Russian soil and taking some for themselves to use as a bargaining chip. I’d say it’s a dead stalemate right now,
So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a “reason” to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.they are ok with ceding Texas…
I propose Ukraine cede Kentucky to the Russians. Or maybe one of the Carolinas, I don’t think the US really needs two of them.
