• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        Anyway the point is he didn’t come in on a small boat, and it’s the small boats that are apparently the problem. So this kid is fine.

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      If you are one of the lucky people who haven’t had their lives decimated by more austerity, more benefits cuts, interspersed by bouts of meaningless ‘essential’ work (such as stacking shelves) on a zero hours contract, good for you. You can have the luxury of taking that attitude, and feel good about yourself while you do so.

      But, genuinely with the best will of the world, when you are looking at not far off a London a decade, immigration is simply not sustainable. Ignoring this reality pushes Reform towards power.

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        You should watch Gary Stevenson on YouTube. The problem is wealth going to the rich. Immigration is the ruse.

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          I am aware of this, however, the reality on the ground is exactly as I described.

          Nobody is going to fix capitalism in the time frame available, so deal with the world as it is, not as any of us would like it to be.

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        Want really pushes Reforms power is believing that immigrants in some way make it harder for you to find a job. Of course they don’t, that’s bullshit. Companies like Tesco’s are not allowed to hire people who aren’t documented, and the thing is, they don’t. Literally no one ever has lost their job because a company hired an immigrant at bargain in basement wages, it doesn’t happen.

        You just believe it happens because you believe Nigel.

        If you were going to berate people you really should look up what you’re talking about.

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        when you are looking at not far off a London a decade, immigration is simply not sustainable.

        What on Earth does that mean?

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    2 months ago

    Clearly what should have happened is that the stowaways should be granted asylum and the motorhome couple should be paid £1000s for their services in helping these desperate people to the UK. /s

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    Not a fan of the headline, a hit misleading in my opinion. They were fined for negligence as they did not search and secure their own motorhome properly before travelling.

    The couple seemingly want to blame the port authorities for not searching their motorhome fully.

    I look at this like a traveller in an airport - I am responsible for what’s in my bags, for packing them, securing them and ensuring there is nothing illegal in them.

    Its the same if youre travelling through ports in cars, lorries or motorhomes. They are being fined for allowing this to happen by not taking basic precautions like securing the bike storage andn checking over their vehicle.

    If they had done this, then even if it had still happened they couldn’t be accused of negligence.

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      The stowaway was on the outside. Therefore could have attached after they checked. I doubt very much that it’s practical to require constant vigilance from all travellers at all times (do travellers need to hire temporary guards for their vehicles when going to the toilet in order to comply with this law?)

      Also, ignoring that, it’s braindead to not make an exception when the people in question self-report and fix the issue, it’s directly undermining the goals to punish people for vigilance (even belated vigilance).

      But ignoring all of that, the law (or implementation) is flawed. The stated goal of the law is to discourage negligence, but negligence needs to be measured against a fair yardstick like “could a reasonable person catch this easily”, not just “were you smarter than whoever tried to hide on your vehicle?”. Defining negligence competitively like they seem to be doing isn’t reasonable and I hope these people win and force the law to be interpreted more judiciously. Next they’ll be fining old ladies who get scammed for “negligently supporting criminals financially”.

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    I’m conflicted on this.

    On the one hand, this is harsh, the couple clearly had no ill intent, and £1500 seems like a large fine for negligence (although I’m unaware how wealthy the couple is)

    But at the same time, if you remove the fine for negligently smuggling illegal immigrants into the country, it will be weaponised by criminals.

    I’m not familiar with the process of driving across the channel. Is it drilled into you, multiple times, that you must check your vehicle? If not, it really should be.

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      The problem is that they found them and reported them, then still got fined!

      That encourages people to not report it, hell, it discourages checking… Because if you find someone and report it you get fined!

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        But if you remove the penalty, the criminals will report it and face no consequences.

        But this existing system also clearly discourages legitimate people from reporting stowaways.

        It’s a mess without an easy solution.

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          Why would they report it and attract attention to themselves if the fine was removed?

          I guess it would enable 1 off recruits, do it once get paid and then report it to be legally clear…