Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don’t embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
I’m okay with letting them have Christianity though.
They can have nothing.
Not real Christianity though. Not the one where people feed people and help others. Don’t forget Prez Carter and Mr. Roger’s were both that kind of Christian. They can have the Jerry Falwell style bullshit.
You don’t need Christianity to be a good person. And it has enables too many people to do terrible things. Not sure you can split it into real/fake.
I don’t. But some people do. If it brings out the good in them, where’s the harm? And yes, there is real and fake. Real is following the actual actual teachings, fake is using them for self gain.
“Real is following the actual teachings”
I think I’ve heard this one for another religion, didn’t end up great for the people (especially women)
I thought we were talking about Christianity. You can move goalposts, but that’s a different game.
If you want to defend pedophiles, there’s truth social you can go to.
Nazis can have Trapt. That’s what they can have.
They can have nothing.
Is there a conservative punk rock movement?
Yes.
It’s exactly as mid and soulless as you’d think.
I’m guessing they aren’t very self-aware either.
They never are
What do you think “Nazi punks fuck off” was for?
the bigger thing right now is people being purposefully obtuse and treating “punk” as the same thing as “counter culture.”
conservatives are using this argument to state that they are the REAL punks because they are anti-establishment (while somehow holding all branches of the government but whatever)
in their mind punk people change their political ideologies to whatever is the opposite of who is in power, and so clearly all existing punks had to flip to the other side the second obama was elected or something.
(I’m a second generation punk on both sides and my whole family would curb stomp these asshats)
Conservatives have never and will never be the punk, because punk is a counterculture movement against cultural conservatism, not who is in office at any given time. Punk has always been about cultural freedom, and conservatism is about cultural restriction.
One of the best examples of conservatives’ superficial understanding of counterculture was during the 2020 elections in Philadelphia, when some Boomers wrapped themselves in flags outside a polling place and danced to RATM “Killing in the Name”. They heard the words “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me”, and decided that it represented THEM, while discarding the rest of the lyrics and the entire meaning of the song.
They do this with all media, from music to books to movies and TV. Their understanding and interpretation of art begins and ends at the surface level.
It almost made me cry with joy when racists in UK were opossed by classic anti fascist punk guys with spiked hair during the riots last year. I hade no idea these guys were still around.
You’re a purebred punk?
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This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you’ve got to be sure you’re keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.
They can have ska.
Over my dead fucking body.
Alright. If you want it, you’re gonna have to skank for it.
A Caribbean genre revived by black marginalized youth in the formerly imperialist Thatcher’s UK? Are you …sure?
It’s a joke about ska being shitty.
But that scene has also had its own issues with Nazis.
I love ska especially punk ska
Booo!!!
Tbh Black metal (awesome as it is) has a lot of ties to Nazi movements. Back when I was first getting into it I bought myself a Burzum shirt, because I only had a vague idea of Varg being somewhat of a controversial figure. I thought, how bad could this guy really be? Well… He is B A D. Despite a lot of this kind of music still being a guilty pleasure of mine I have ventured into anti Nazi bands such as Neckbeard Death camp, who are really vocal about kicking Nazis from the scene. That being said, traverse black metal paying heed to your step, for ignorance can end you up with neo Nazi band merch.
Man, fuck Varg. What an absolute waste of a human and an absolute stain.
Probably every single thing that you like is also liked by a few Nazis around the world.
There’s a significant difference between “Nazi’s like something I like as well” and “Nazi’s are involved in making this thing that I like”.
How many must be involved in making it? Lets say for a music genre? Probably we should be taking about percentage wise?
I’m not suggesting that as a whole “one Nazi makes something in the genre, and now the genre is ruined”.
However, if you’re not a Nazi, it would be prudent to establish whether or not the creator, (regardless of genre or medium) is also not a Nazi. Especially if that medium/genre has a reputation for attracting that type of crowd.
Let’s let them have nu-metal… that’ll show them.
Nu-metal is great. Not all of it but Korn and System of a Down, a lot of great bands were labeled “nu-metal”.
How about letting them have “no”, “get bent” or, in extremes cases, a punch to the kisser? Can they have those?
Will forever hate them for trying to take Pepe the Frog.
feels bad man
Nazi punks FUCK OFF!
They already tried to take punk and punk said “no”.
You got one downvote. That asshole is either in the wrong discussion and doesn’t know their music or is a Nazi cock gobbler and needs to wipe the orange off their lips.
Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don’t they usually prefer to claim to be on God’s side?
They’ve already taken some Metal. Went to a Metallica concert and there were trump flags in the parking lot, militia-style shirts, firearms shirts, blue line flag shirts, Punisher skull shirts…. I was surrounded by White Power and authoritarians. The Metal Heads I grew up with all decided they wanted to carry the batons and riot shields they hated in their youth. Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.
Aren’t/Weren’t Pantera associated with white supremacism as well?
There’s probably loads more to be fair
Kind of yes, although their music didn’t have anything to do it, and their “white supremacism” didn’t go much beyond “but can that n----- play the guitar?”, confederate flags, and Phil Anselmo’s “edgy humor”. Some of it was actually overplayed, because Dimebag didn’t play his guitar 100% aligned to perfect rythm, and djent kids didn’t like that. Metallica is more aware its own right wingedness in its music.
Dude I went to an Incubus concert a couple years ago and there was a guy proudly wearing a “Let’s go Brandon!” shirt.
He might’ve been cheering on the singer though.
Tbf these are the guys who killed Napster
I can believe that.
I’ve a afroamerican mate here in Sweden, kinda mad lad.
He’s from NY. Once he told me at every gig he was the only black guy in the crowd (90s), Punk, metal, he always was alone.
Anyway it seems he had a good time, but I guess NY it’s diffent from many other places in the Us.
Depends on the band, I guess. Been to some punk stuff and it was really mixed. Metallica was the biggest metal show I’ve been to, there were different ethnicities in the crowd, but I would have felt kinda uncomfortable were I them. E: TBC I felt uncomfortable by what I saw.
Depends on the band and part of NY. People tend to forget that NY state is huge and has a lot of rural areas. I lived in the Hudson Valley for a long time and went to a ton of punk and metal shows in that area and can say that the crowds were 99% white. That being said, we didn’t give a fuck if you weren’t white; people in the pit only cared of you were an asshole who was out to hurt people.
norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn’t go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.
Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?
I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they “claim, twist, poison, ruin” it, so it’s fine to give it up and no longer defend it.
Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.
Yet according to the rhetoric, it’s a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim is as part of their cause. They’ll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers “have” it), it’s okay to limit & undermine it.
One might think they’re right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there’s a good chance they’ll show up here possibly in response to this comment. Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?
Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.
Free Speech is the right to have and express opinions without being repressed by the government. Yelling fire in a theatre is not an opinion any more than harassing people with racial slurs or other forms of flatulence.
Nobody is giving free speech to fascists. Ignorant assholes are misappropriating the term to justify their disgusting behaviour and they’re the only one’s falling for it.
