Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.

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    As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We’ll see how it goes…

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      While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democratic label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only serves to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.

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      The US has always had two parties, but it hasn’t always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that’s successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.

      For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.

      See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States

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      As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable.

      Democrats don’t have to field candidates if they’re so damned scared about splitting the vote. It’s not like they’re particularly interested in winning anyway.

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        Yeah, but they will anyway, because they’d rather split the vote than let progressives win. Dunno why you think that’s the case at every other point along the way but that they’ll just bow to higher goals when someone is much more explicitly trying to eat their lunch.

        At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and “the team”.

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          At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and “the team”.

          For that, you have to win a primary. And we cannot trust what democrats hilariously call primaries, when they have them at all.

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            Why? AOC wins primaries, Omar wins primaries, Bernie wins primaries (for his senate seat). Unless you think they only cheat for the presidency, this “primaries are rigged” view seems like roughly the same level of conspiracy as the MAGAs.

            What’s the conspiracy that’s so undefeatable it’s easier to build a new party from scratch that needs to overcome vote splitting in every election?

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              Why? AOC wins primaries, Omar wins primaries, Bernie wins primaries (for his senate seat).

              Bernie isn’t a democrat.

              Unless you think they only cheat for the presidency, this “primaries are rigged” view seems like roughly the same level of conspiracy as the MAGAs.

              Was what they did in order to make sure Cuellar kept his seat rigging? Was failing to protect Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman rigging?

              What’s the conspiracy that’s so undefeatable it’s easier to build a new party from scratch that needs to overcome vote splitting in every election?

              Right. Any level of unhappiness with the party’s partiality to pro-genocide centrists and away from anyone interested in doing something other then capitulating must be a conspiracy.

              I’m sure that democrats just found exactly enough votes to avert a shutdown because there are only 10 cowards in the entire caucus.

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                Bernie, who is conveniently not a Democrat when people (centrists and leftists) want him to not be a Democrat, wins Democratic primaries. He’s not even in the party and he’s the supposed example of true leftism opposed to neoliberal centrism, and he still wins the primaries. He could go it alone in a three way race like you wanted, and the all-powerful DNC could rig his primary so he’d be out of their hair for good, but weirdly both don’t. Because in the end it’s just the votes that matter and winning a primary to clear a lane and then winning a 1-on-1 against the conservatives is easier and more effective.

                And no, those things aren’t rigging. Opposing coalitions of centrists using their social influence or even antagonistic organizations spending money on advertising does not mean the vote is unfair. And neither of those things go away if you just decide to make a new party. However you label yourselves, you need to be ready and able to beat that.

                And people do! AIPAC wanted Omar out too. The party establishment never wanted AOC to win. They both had less money and less influence than the forces arrayed against them, and they won by just doing good politics and convincing regular people to vote for them. Because whatever money and machine politics was against them, the thing that counts is still just votes.

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                  Bernie, who is conveniently not a Democrat when people (centrists and leftists) want him to not be a Democrat

                  He’s also conveniently not a democrat when democrats want to argue in court that they don’t have to run fair primaries.