Let me break this down:
Openly defying court orders multiple times= dictatorship Threatening to jail political opponents despite them being pardoned= dictatorship Deporting American citizens who have legal citizenship= dictatorship Can’t put it any simpler.
If anyone wants context for why she was denied entry, apart from photos supportive of terrorists found on the phone
The doctor also reportedly told agents that she attended the funeral of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah while in Lebanon, but that she supported him “from a religious perspective” and not a political one.
I don’t think anything that they did to this lady was legal but for her to attend the funeral and then admit that to the agents seems like a exceedingly bad decision.
I’m kinda mystified why you’d attend a funeral of such a figure, take a bunch of pictures of you there(?), and fly back to the USA with the administration currently in place and not expect a shitshow. Is this an extreme version of ‘don’t talk to the cops’ or was this lady just very naive? Even as a US citizen I’d probably wipe my phone before flying back to the US just to avoid anything weird popping up if it was searched.
Sounds like she can go teach in Europe now pretty easily. She’s got a great story. Fucking slick, if deliberate.
The article says that Customs and Border Patrol agents “found “sympathetic photos and videos” of prominent Hezbollah figures in the deleted items folder of her cellphone.”
That statement is vague enough in itself (could be memes from a group chat, could be something someone shared in a whatsapp chat that she had no interest in - we don’t know). What we do know is that having pictures sympathetic to Hezbollah figures on your phone is not illegal, and it doesn’t automatically equate to ‘being supportive of terrorists’. I have photos of Trump in my phone from group chats and from web cache of viewed articles, and I hate the treasonous c*nt.
Court decisions are just optional now. Who needs a court when you are judge and jury?
If only we could have foreseen this and prevented it somehow
So what are we gonna do about it?
Watch in horror
I noticed my local Tesla dealership is not currently on fire…
Seems like a good couple million dollar lawsuit against the government, especially if done against a judge’s orders.
Don’t forget that the DOJ is using a new tactic… of requiring those that bring law suits against them to fully fund in advance the entire trial.
And then if the executive branch ignores that decision?
There needs to be another plan than let them battle it out on the courts if they ignore court orders.
I thought the executive branch didn’t control the budget, so wouldn’t really be able to block it. But I’m not American and don’t know the US system that well.
You’re not wrong…
The problem were finding out now is, there is no way for the branches to enforce their decisions unless they all agree.
If executive disagrees with judicial orders and doesn’t follow and orders the departments under executive branch control to follow their orders anyway, there is no way for judicial or legislation branches to hold the executive accountable and stop them. Other than legislation impeaching people.
Not sure how many scenarios the US has been in where legislation ignored judicial ruling. And can’t think of how judicial could ignore legislation and executive branches exactly…
Lol
Maybe I’m being silly, but Canada paid $10.5 million to a Guantanamo Bay inmate because his rights were violated. So I guess at the very least we better make sure to advocate strongly for any Canadians caught up in this mess.
Yeah, that’s Canada. They don’t have a dictator in charge.
Constitutional crisis time! Who’s ready to defend their rights and fight for democracy!
“I’ll stand peacefully on a sidewalk holding up a sign to defend democracy, so long as no harm comes to me.” - Americans
As an anti gun person my whole life, I am considering buying a gun to defend my rights as our 2nd amendment was designed to protect.
I think Democrats need to start forming or partnering with like like minded, armed groups, to help reinforce the importance and need for action. Then we have our support shown how we will defend our rights if actions are not taken.
I am not advocating for violence, but we cannot show up to a gun right with cardboard signs.
Do it. Same reason I did. The reality of it sucks, but it’s the way of the world. Don’t let conservatives be the only ones armed or we’re fucked for sure
What have you ever done in your life keyboard warrior? Stfu
Let’s say I am a worthless keyboard warrior living in America and not going out to protest as if my future depended on it, what difference would that make? Still an accurate description of Americans, if you’re an American on lemmy complaining about people showing a mirror to you then do something about it.
Hey where was the motherfucker arguing they wouldnt deport legal people with me here? Huh? Where ya at?
They literally don’t care. All they want is to win an argument against leftists in the moment; they actually see it as a weakness to be beholden to facts.
They’re playing a different “game” entirely, one where rhetoric is more important than reality.
This point should be understood by all - they’re programmed to get a dopamine hit in the moment by pissing you off.
They’re not arguing in good faith and all the time you spend making rational statements is a waste. Nobody is keeping a scorecard that punishes them for losing an intellectual discussion.
The opposition to MAGA has to find a new path, because applying rational arguments in discussions ain’t going to work.
This is why calling them weird was sort of effective. It’s not a fact, it’s an opinion. Now, I think it’s a widely held opinion, but the point is it wasn’t something they could argue with. It was sort of playing the game they’ve been playing.
Gotta stop going high. We know their tactics, we know how their brains work. We need to stop trying to devastate them with irrefutable facts, they don’t care. Turn their own methods against them, destroy them in their language. The left has better trolls and meme lords, let’s use them.
They’re at the other goalpost, we just don’t know where it’s been moved right now
This is happening again and again: judges rule that deportations are illegal, then Trump’s people just kidnap the victim and deport them anyway. A whole lot of people were just deported to a prison in a foreign country whose government has said they will never be released. They will be slave labor for a foreign country until they die, and there was no trial, no due process, no evidence presented for their being guilty of any crime. It’s just the executive branch of the US government kidnapping people and trafficking them into slavery abroad, completely overriding its own judicial system. The USA is already a dictatorship, and it only took a few weeks.
And if anyone doing these illegal deportations is tried, and even convicted, the president can just pardon them.
Presidential pardons are dumb and were always waiting to be abused, change my mind.
It’s time for armed resistance
If these unjust and illegal actions can’t be stopped through elections, politicians or courts, it does seem the only ways to stop them would involve physically obstructing them.
Sorry, I’m not from the us. Who has imprisoned them? Is this the el Salvador thing?
Anyone have a good source on the illegal kidnappings and the prison that won’t release people? I’ve been trying not to follow US politics but goddamn clearly I need to when they’re up to this shit already
NPR, the source that floofloof linked above, is a pretty solid news source. The article linked discusses the mega-prison in El Salvador.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but which link do you mean? I’ve checked every comment in this thread and not seen any NPR links (also checked floofloof’s recent comment history and didn’t spot any), and I’m questioning my sanity 😭
I’ve read the article attached to this thread and this is the first I’ve seen El Salvador mentioned, so thanks since that at least gives me something to search lol
Not a stupid question at all! It looks like others already commented the links but I’m sorry you’re not seeing the link format for that sentence. Next time I’ll be more helpful and link it now that I know some formatting doesn’t go through for everyone (I was commenting while walking to a meeting and I meant to be helpful but I see now I could have done more!)
One of the sentences in my previous comment was the link. Here’s the URL:
Thanks! This is how the comment looks on my end (voyager app):
Is this the wrong comment or is voyager tripping?
Edit: I was expecting to be horrified, but holy fuck reading the article you were referencing still shocked me. The fact that prison exists at all is genuinely sickening, let alone that people were kidnapped and sent there across country lines without trials or evidence. Thanks again for providing the link a second time, but I think I’ve had enough internet for today now lmao
It seems Voyager is failing to highlight the link text. I just use the regular web interface and it looks like this:
It usually includes the link below the comment text as an attachment, as well as highlighting, but it seems to have missed that there’s a link at all (the text isn’t clickable either). I’ll try to remember to file a bug report later, thanks!
I mean, decades of sowing the seeds but a few weeks since they were able to solidify their power. I don’t think that’s unusual, seeing how quickly Germany fell to the Nazis.
Unusual maybe, but I wish it wasn’t so easy to accept it as just another part of history. I hoped we were better than this with all the new tech, but I guess old habits die hard. The new tech just seems to be a new tool they’ve been getting the hang of, and AI makes the dumbest sound less dumb to the ridiculously ignorant by choice. By so many choices I can’t fathom.
I hate to say it, but that mess in the 20th century was humanity paying the piper for insane tech advancements.
We’re going to have to pay again. We aren’t smart enough to handle it. Those that are can only sit back and watch in horror at what we do with it.
Yes to all but the last sentence. We live and act, how can we use that best for the rest of us? Smarts have nothing to do with it.
I don’t believe that we’re collectively smart enough. I have spent too much time around too many people.
Religion, ancient lasers, flat earth, lizard people, Illuminati. These things are waaaaaaay more common than rational people realize.
Pick any random person and talk to them about what they believe. Prepare to be amazed.
I agree almost completely. I just don’t want to give in to the will of the boards of directors that do their best to maximize the disinformation to maximize their short term profits.
There’s got to be more value to civilization than that, right? Things are real and truth has value even if meaning doesn’t matter.
I guess I just like to dream about what we could be, but it’s not getting any easier to believe in it.
Well obviously it’s because they were Brown
Among other terrible things, this is exactly why Google shoving Android “SafetyCore” onto all Android phones is absolutely evil. Illegal phone searches become a casual click on a cloud interface to target millions with whatever they want to find.
Do you have any evidence pointing at that? So far it seems SafetyCore is a local-only service that despite all the uproar no researchers actually found doing anything suspicious.
And the only thing I hate more than Google is misinformation and fearmongering.
good thing we can delete that, i deleted that app as soon as i saw the post, but i heard it comes back everytime it updates. and im pretty sure google will make that a permanent thing down the line. (probably againt pixel phones)
How do you find it? I don’t see an app called SafetyCore on my phone
You have to enable viewing system apps. I also noticed an older phone running Android 10-era Android didn’t receive it.
Whoever ignored that order should be held in contempt. You don’t just “whoopsie” a judge’s order.
Their story is that she was already deported before they got the order.
The order was given well before she was put on a flight. Someone somewhere along the way caused it either to be ignored or delayed relaying it long enough that she was put on the flight.
Deporting doctors, unbelievable.
Everything they do suggests the goal is just to ruin the USA and its (former) allies.
Why are all these big deportation stories about hezbolah people and gang members that we are supposed to be sympathizing with and vocally defending?
The AntiDeportation stories I would like to support are like ‘nice mom that is just nice and not part of any gang nor anything illegal deported horribly from her 5 nice kids’. Give us those stories please. I am totally happy not having gang member neighbors. Why would I want that or sympathize with them?
the mom that worked in the big illegal weed op is the closest so far. I am totally for weed and in a place it’s legal, but I understand that, if she makes money on the smuggling of weed from legal to illegal places, it will be bad for her when she’s caught. That was not controversial to me. It shouldnt be that way, but it wasnt unusually controversial.
are there no actual innocent nice people being immorally deported? That seems crazy to me, but where are the stories?
No mention of gang involvement or anything illegal whatsoever from the female doctor deported in the article you’re commenting on - so you’re just spouting nonsense.
Looks like someone hasnt been following current events :)
What you are missing about why we are actually enraged is the complete lack of evidence of their crimes or any kind of due process. Everybody deserves to be heard by the court.
Even if you don’t care about immigrants, you should realize that if they can be targeted and punished without evidence, then you can be too.
personally im surprised the trump administration is even giving reasons for deporting people
It’s part of the strategy – publicly condemn people as being the type of person that is easy to hate so that there is support for the punishment.
If he started disappearing people without giving any reason, his supporters would be more likely to take note of that and question him. “Violent criminals and terrorists” on the other hand, that the people can get behind, apparently without question.
that’s a great point, thank you!
even without it being a risk to self that sounds immoral.
This is getting uglier. Ugh
I just want to know when and how the nightmare will end
It will end in (threats of) vioIence. Either by the people being completely owned or taking a stand.
The violence has already started on the part of the federal government.
It could stop tomorrow if Americans had the courage.
By doing what?
And “Americans” you mean all 341 million people? All agreeing to do the same thing? Like your statement is so meaningless to the point of stupidity
It’s like saying "we could end global warmong if only Africans did something about it*
I know, which is why Americans are fucked. They don’t even have a shared history, let alone reality or morals. I mean, most Americans don’t know about how the police dropped bombs on Philadelphia in 1985, let alone even protest or start a riot over it. 341 million Americans agreed not to riot over that one.
I also struggle to see how “Africans are to blame for global warming” the same way Americans are to blame for their own countrymen’s actions.
EDIT - Just to add, I find it intriguing that you’re so quick to blame Africans for the sake of a strawman argument. Not a good look, kinda looks American.
Your right, everyone should just keep waiting for someone else to fix this for them.
Though the Trump administration did not initially detail their rationale for detaining Alawieh, Hilton Beckham, the assistant commissioner of public affairs for Customs and Border Protection, told HuffPost that "arriving aliens bear the burden of establishing admissibility to the United States.”
Which a valid visa is literally proof of, you ridiculously named fascist henchcritter! 🤦🤬
I hope Trump’s Supreme Court are happy residing over a branch of government that no longer matters.
They made it so, why wouldn’t they be happy?
DOGE fires Supreme Court in 3…2…
As long as the vacations and RVs keep coming, you bet they are.
They’ll do just fine as long as they deliver him what he wants.
