If I was still an American (I gave up my citizenship after Dubya shat the USA Patriot Act) and part of an at-risk group - and there are many - I would seriously consider emigrating at this point.
Don’t do like the jews who stayed in Germany after 1933 thinking it can’t get any worse: it will get worse and you don’t want to be stuck in the US when it’s too late to leave.
What about people who can’t relocate because they’re poor, don’t have dual citizenship, have nowhere to go, have felonies, etc?
We know it will get worse. Our persons are already owned by the US. We know the history and we’ve read their playbooks.
There’s no organization, no real solidarity, no strategy for opposition.
The people who think they’ll be safe from it won’t help us entrench, and people who already got out won’t help us get out.
I lived in many countries. The one I went to when I left the US was the UK. But it was in Europe back then. I would never move there now.
Because AFIAK, there only a few ways
You missed mine 🙂 I had dual citizenship. I simply gave one up. I had to pay the extortion racket but other than that, that’s all I had to do.
Also, if you’re trans or not male or female (some people are born with extra X and Y chromosomes, which flies in the face of the administration’s idiotic male / female classification), you’ve basically become a non-person in the US. As such, I’m fairly sure you could make a convincing case for asylum in many European countries.
that sounds like you’re talking about permanent immigration.
another easy way to permanently immigrate is to move a place on a tourist or digital nomad visa, and then stay there legally or otherwise until you’re allowed to apply for citizenship.
spain and portugal require about $40,000 a year for their digital nomad visas.
The thing is, it’s even easier to move without changing citizenship and you can still stick it to the US government.
if you don’t change citizenship, and you live outside of the US 11 months out of the year, you don’t have to pay taxes on earned income. so you’re not supporting the current administration.
The cheapest golden visa is $75,000 for the whole family in the Philippines, btw, not 500k.
I still wouldn’t pay that.
I travel full time, you can easily get 3 to 6 month visas in a bunch of countries, Visa-Free travel in the others, live permanently abroad, legally avoid US taxes and enjoy a much lower cost of living in countries that aren’t tearing themselves and their constitution apart.
Australia and NZ also exist, those countries are likely fine in that no major global trade routes go through there (unlike the Arctic), so that mitigates the risk of war over there. Those I’ve read somewhere on r/IWantOut that some countries like Australia have a list of medical conditions that would mean one is not allowed to emigrate there.
England/the UK I haven’t read much, but that’s about as far as one can go, aside from Canada; to go elsewhere means learning a new language is outright required.
I’m in a similar position as OP, and trying to leave with someone else would be even more trickier. Even Canada is very limited in how many family members/friends/relatives that one can sponsor or emigrate with.
I’d feel like being of Chinese descent is more of a liability. If the PRC goes after Taiwan, I could totally see the cheeto crowd go after my ethnicity and be a repeat of what happened in WWII.
I just hope any one country will start allowing asylum seekers to get out before it’s too late, but I won’t hold my breath given that everywhere in the developed world seems to have a housing crisis all at once.
Yeah, it’s pretty dire. Those aformentioned countries are the only places in which to go where learning a new language isn’t necessary to get permanent citizenship.
To get permanent citizenship in any other country generally requires fluency in the native local language is pretty much all cases.
Even with Canada, since I didn’t take French in middle or high school, that means Quebec is pretty much off the table for me, unless I go through the hassle of learning French as an adult.
Even if Canada could have a threat of invasion from the south, I do not think it would likely succeed, as there are at least 5 border states that are blue/democrat, and Canada would likely get help from other countries. Perhaps Mexico may start a second front from the south siding with Canada, so that there’s 2 fronts to deal with? Canada does have the city of Edmonton located pretty far from the US border, so it is not required to live adjacent to the US border in Canada. I would say that fleeing to Canada is about the same risk as fleeing to Finland or Estonia, and the latter two are in the EU.
If I was still an American (I gave up my citizenship after Dubya shat the USA Patriot Act) and part of an at-risk group - and there are many - I would seriously consider emigrating at this point.
Don’t do like the jews who stayed in Germany after 1933 thinking it can’t get any worse: it will get worse and you don’t want to be stuck in the US when it’s too late to leave.
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Hi SDF fellow
What about people who can’t relocate because they’re poor, don’t have dual citizenship, have nowhere to go, have felonies, etc?
We know it will get worse. Our persons are already owned by the US. We know the history and we’ve read their playbooks.
There’s no organization, no real solidarity, no strategy for opposition.
The people who think they’ll be safe from it won’t help us entrench, and people who already got out won’t help us get out.
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I lived in many countries. The one I went to when I left the US was the UK. But it was in Europe back then. I would never move there now.
You missed mine 🙂 I had dual citizenship. I simply gave one up. I had to pay the extortion racket but other than that, that’s all I had to do.
Also, if you’re trans or not male or female (some people are born with extra X and Y chromosomes, which flies in the face of the administration’s idiotic male / female classification), you’ve basically become a non-person in the US. As such, I’m fairly sure you could make a convincing case for asylum in many European countries.
Marrying someone means nothing. They’re taking people with green cards who are married to Americans and are making them disappear.
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Remember that many jews said the same thing in Germany before the war, until they realized it really was time to get out of Dodge and they couldn’t.
that sounds like you’re talking about permanent immigration.
another easy way to permanently immigrate is to move a place on a tourist or digital nomad visa, and then stay there legally or otherwise until you’re allowed to apply for citizenship.
spain and portugal require about $40,000 a year for their digital nomad visas.
The thing is, it’s even easier to move without changing citizenship and you can still stick it to the US government.
if you don’t change citizenship, and you live outside of the US 11 months out of the year, you don’t have to pay taxes on earned income. so you’re not supporting the current administration.
The cheapest golden visa is $75,000 for the whole family in the Philippines, btw, not 500k.
I still wouldn’t pay that.
I travel full time, you can easily get 3 to 6 month visas in a bunch of countries, Visa-Free travel in the others, live permanently abroad, legally avoid US taxes and enjoy a much lower cost of living in countries that aren’t tearing themselves and their constitution apart.
Australia and NZ also exist, those countries are likely fine in that no major global trade routes go through there (unlike the Arctic), so that mitigates the risk of war over there. Those I’ve read somewhere on r/IWantOut that some countries like Australia have a list of medical conditions that would mean one is not allowed to emigrate there.
England/the UK I haven’t read much, but that’s about as far as one can go, aside from Canada; to go elsewhere means learning a new language is outright required.
I’m in a similar position as OP, and trying to leave with someone else would be even more trickier. Even Canada is very limited in how many family members/friends/relatives that one can sponsor or emigrate with.
I’d feel like being of Chinese descent is more of a liability. If the PRC goes after Taiwan, I could totally see the cheeto crowd go after my ethnicity and be a repeat of what happened in WWII.
I just hope any one country will start allowing asylum seekers to get out before it’s too late, but I won’t hold my breath given that everywhere in the developed world seems to have a housing crisis all at once.
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Yeah, it’s pretty dire. Those aformentioned countries are the only places in which to go where learning a new language isn’t necessary to get permanent citizenship.
To get permanent citizenship in any other country generally requires fluency in the native local language is pretty much all cases.
Even with Canada, since I didn’t take French in middle or high school, that means Quebec is pretty much off the table for me, unless I go through the hassle of learning French as an adult.
Even if Canada could have a threat of invasion from the south, I do not think it would likely succeed, as there are at least 5 border states that are blue/democrat, and Canada would likely get help from other countries. Perhaps Mexico may start a second front from the south siding with Canada, so that there’s 2 fronts to deal with? Canada does have the city of Edmonton located pretty far from the US border, so it is not required to live adjacent to the US border in Canada. I would say that fleeing to Canada is about the same risk as fleeing to Finland or Estonia, and the latter two are in the EU.