Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
In the past two months, while some of y’all motherfuckers have been busy arguing over whether it was a Nazi salute or not, this guy and his orange fucko have been dismantling the Constitution in real time. But sure—carry on. This debate is clearly way more important.
Goddamnit.
What in the constitution has been dismantled?
Everyone existing on US soil is supposed to have the same rights no matter what. Not only natural born citizens.
I’m not being snappy, but what part of the constitution are you talking about? Anything in specific?
I was hoping it would, but this article does not show how the constitution applies to non citizens. It names many amendments that they say protect non citizens, but it does not show the constitution saying that those rights are for non citizens, the article just says they are.
It was one.
Technically, it was two.
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
Person who has no expertise on a subject agrees with experts on the subject, more news at 6!
Are you suggesting that a kid doesn’t have any insight into their parent’s behavior and that “experts” do?
No, I’m saying she’s not an historian specialized in Nazi Germany.
You don’t need to be to see it was not one but two nazi salutes
You don’t, but her opinion is useless when all experts already agree that’s what it was.
It’s like asking actors their political opinion. Who gives a fuck what they think? They’re actors, not political analysts.
And yet, here you are with your opinion that no one asked for. Are you seeing how this works yet?
So you’re saying my opinion is just as important as hers, she gets to share hers, I get to share mine, will The Guardian write an article about my opinion now? Are you seeing how this works yet?
No, I’m saying she is relevant to the story. You aren’t. Yet here you are trying to erase her from it, while adding yourself to it- via the comments.
Yell all you want. She’s still going to have her say in legitimate news articles, while you’re relegated to ranting about it in forums located in the far reaches of the internet.
And you think that’s required for recognizing a Nazi salute? That’s whack.
No, I’m saying that all experts agree it is so her opinion doesn’t matter.
I’m not sure they needed to chime in to verify that… Also they dislike their father so it isn’t exactly an unbiased report…
you mean she dislikes her father
I don’t know why you are downvoted. You are using her preferred pronouns.
It was the parent poster who repeatedly, and most likely intentionally, used the wrong pronoun.
did they edit their comment? or is it wrong to call someone who prefers she/her by they/them? i feel like they/them is the neutral version so if you prefer either he/him or she/her then they/them also applies, no? sorry if i’m being ignorant here.
edit: i guess people do distinguish they/them as a way to identify non-binary people, and so using they/them on a person who specifically requests she/her can be offensive if you have been informed that they have a preference. but i don’t see how using they/them to describe a person you don’t know anything about other than that they are transgender is offensive when there are so many possibilities for preferences. as a cis man i don’t feel offended being refered to as they/them and i think it would only be respectful to assume that someone who transitions ftm would also be comfortable with that, unless otherwise stated. i’m not a woman so i obviously can’t say for certain but i’d imagine i would also be okay with she/them, and therefore a mtf transgender would also be okay by default. ‘by default’ in this case meaning the circumstance in which you haven’t been explicitly informed of their preferences. i guess that’s just my respect compass- which very well might be wrong from some people’s point of view but i think it’s obvious that it doesn’t come from a negative place, which is why i don’t think the original comment in necessarily trying to disrespect her.
The article, the title, and the summary, all use her preferred pronouns.
I think “they” is perfectly fine if the preferred pronouns are actually undisclosed (or are the persons preferred pronouns, obviously).
But using “they” like three times, in response to a post where the proper pronouns were used? And with an oppositional tone? It lays it all pretty clear that the grandparent was intentionally saying “they” as a sophomoric attempt to express their disrespect.
My parent, who is downvoted, is quite clearly calling grandparent out on it.
You can’t be serious right now…
So you think it wasn’t an obvious nazi salute? I thought it was pretty obvious…
Yeah, you should re-read your comment. That stance is not being conveyed in it.
it was a Nazi salute.
Not sure how confusing that statement can be.
Well, I was saying that it is already obvious, so why is there a huge headline about what Elon’s estranged kid said it was? If it was actually in question and needed confirmation, a person who would say whatever is worse by default wouldn’t be the one to clear things up… I feel like my previous post expressed that but I could have spelled it out a bit more.
Based on the negative karma of your comment, I’m not the only one who thought your comment was intended to say it wasn’t a nazi salute. Say you what you want and get defensive, it’s no skin off my back.
okay.
Elon’s estranged kid
You know that we know that this is intentional, right? You know she’s his daughter. Why are you pretending she’s not?
No one is pretending anything. How did you come to that conclusion?
By looking at how Sculptous Poe is actively refusing to use the right pronouns for Vivian Wilson
If you look only at it purely logically - think about power structures at play and who wants to get in Trumps inner circle. One of those battles is Bannon vs Musk.
I don’t know if he is a racists but Elon being somewhat intelligent and have access to AI, probably ran some scenarios that suggested a “fake salute” to get on the good graces of MAGA. And it seems to have paid off. He’s in the Oval Office and Bannon is begging Trump for attention using this third term rhetoric.
Think in terms of power. If you wanted to out maneuver your opponents who do you need on your side and who do you need to cater to. MAGA fundamentally hates billionaires so musk has to Don (pun intended) the MAGA mask. Now this would be a fine game if it didn’t cause suffering on a global scale.
In conclusion. It was a Nazi salute but it was a calculated one.
This is the most ignorant post on Lemmy.
TV: Do you ever feel scared? He’s the richest man in the world.
VW: He’s a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him? Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don’t give a fk. Why should I be scared of this man? Because he’s rich? Oh, no, I’m trembling. Ooh, shivering in my boots here. I don’t give a fk how much money anyone has. I don’t. I really don’t. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations.
Absolutely based. The pathetic man-child was probably fuming when reading those lines. :)
While slowly dancing to the tune of The WMV Took My Baby Away
(WMV: woke mind virus)
Do not don the coat of a fallen cause.
The curse of its failure lingers, a specter drifting through the stories of those necromancers who dare to summon it from the dust, who seek to give flesh to bones long buried beneath defeat.
Why? Why take up arms for a dream that devoured its own children? Why believe in the facade hammered upon the anvil of despair, a shape forged for a world without light?
Does the tale end with you, a shadow standing tall above the broken, serfs and servants bent beneath the weight of your hunger, their knees cracking under the burden of your thirst, never sated, never quenched?
Fear is the plague of the weak-minded, whose souls warp and twist in the hands of hate, for a visage they do not understand. And you, you wield that fear as a maul, crushing your enemies, filling the basin of your greed with the last of their blood.
In your heart, you know the road you take, the road paved in ruin, where fortune once lay scattered like fallen leaves, now burned to ash beneath the wheels of your chariot. A lonesome path, leading only to oblivion.
Yet still, a question haunts you, woven in the rhythm of hooves upon the earth, in the cold breath of the pale horse that follows close behind, its ethereal rider whispering through the silence:
“Will I be a king? A god? If I reach the end of this road, paved with the bones of those I betrayed?” “Is it destiny that guides me to the gate of my kingdom?” “Or is it the folly of man, forever blind in his pursuit of happiness at any cost?”
This question has been answered, time and time again, its echoes carved into stone, whispered in the ruins, remembered by those who bore its horror. And still, the rider comes. Still, the pale horse treads closer.
You cannot outrun him. Your chariot, laden with the weight of your vanity, drags behind. Your horses falter, worn from carrying the spoils of your conquest. And yet, it is not too late.
Shed your burden. Turn back, submit to the wrath of those you wronged, and let fall from your hands the riches you once held so dear.
Time will judge the weight of your sins, and decide the fate of those who refuse to let the dead rest.
Do not don the coat of a fallen cause. Leave it where it lies.
Is it because she has working eyes? That’s really all you need to come to this conclusion.
When even Neo Nazis are agreeing that it’s a Nazi salute, and side by side footage shows Elon doing the salute with even more force than Hitler himself did, pretending that it isn’t is not a good look and is gaslighting. I’ve seen someone claim that it couldn’t have been a Nazi salute because “half of America” and the ADL said it wasn’t, which just makes this quote more relevant:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
The ADL saying it wasn’t makes me believe it was even harder, I mean literally they’re the same organization that said cartoon frogs, drinking milk, and McDonalds Mascots were all racist dogwhistles and that telling Israel not to kill Arabic Children is basically denying the Holocaust.
I think it’s time to stop caring about anything this organization says.
I saw a gif earlier that I can’t find. It has Elon’s seig heil salute that is perfectly timed to a group of Neo-Nazis executing the same salute. They were absolutely identical.
Does anyone know where to find it?
For some reason, lemmy absolutely will not allow me to upload that one gif. Here’s some alternatives:
Yes, Lemmy wouldn’t let me upload that gif either. I doubt it’s because of the content - seems more likely to be a bug.
Yeah, idk what it could be. Content filter is unlikely since we’re on different instances and, you know, it’s lemmy. I tried compressing it and it still didn’t work… maybe I’ll make a bug report.
Here you go
Adding to the others, here’s that pairing alongside Musk actually doing what normal people would accept is “my heart goes out to you”.
Elon Musk’s daughter has functioning eyeballs.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
So he’s a sociopath. That checks out
He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.
Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.
And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.
Evil is the absence of empathy, so by his own admission he is absolutely evil.
The first time I heard about him beyond a vague “electric car person” post was from a tech co-worker in 2017, where they said they read a biography of Elon where they basically labelled him a sociopath. So, just to emphasize to anyone in the back-row, it’s certainly not news.
It definitely was. He’s apartheid nepo baby. Autistic or not, he’s racist and a terrible asshole. Also a nazi.
If he’s autistic, that can be dangerous when mixed with narcissism. There’s research showing a link between it and mass shootings (practical example here. Possibly due to some autistic people thinking in polarised extremes, having poor social skills and lacking empathy.
At least provide some scientific data to back up any claim like this. Posting this is an extremely harmful claim to make regardless, but to do so with a “practical example” is not only incredibly offensive it has the potential to be profoundly harmful. Please consider providing real data for your claims or editing your post entirely.
That’s an exceptionally dangerous claim to make; it’s going to cause people to further alienate people that are on the autism spectrum. When you look at the report that the US Secret Service released on mass shootings (I’d have to find it; I’ve got a copy saved somewhere), autism spectrum disorder is not listed as a factor, while things like divorced parents is.
Perhaps you missed the part that said, “[Forensic psychiatrist Dr Iain Kooyman] found Prosper had an ‘extreme lack’ of empathy and remorse - something that could not be explained by ASD alone.”
And, BTW, people on the autism spectrum lack effective empathy, not empathy. That means that a person on the spectrum has a reduced ability to understand what a person is experiencing or feeling, not that they don’t feel empathy when they do know.
I think it’s dangerous because of the presentation, and singling out ASD.
There’s lots of otherwise harmless things can become danger multipliers.
Being sleepy is harmless. Driving a car is very slightly dangerous. Being sleepy while driving a car is incredibly dangerous.
Being on the spectrum isn’t dangerous at all. Radicalized people can be slightly dangerous. Sociopaths can be fairly dangerous. Gun ownership can be slightly dangerous. Radicalized sociopaths with guns on the spectrum are worth worrying about.
But the solution isn’t singling out the ASD, but other factors that can be more effectively controlled.
There’s discussion in this thread re him having autism, I should have mentioned that. Did you see that I said when mixed with narcissism it can be dangerous? I’m not saying neurodiverse people are dangerous.
Oh, I totally get it. You’re all good. I’m saying that presenting it in that manner is dangerous, not that you’re necessarily presenting it that way.
To be honest, you’d have to be very stupid to belive otherwise.
I suspect 90% of the people who want to give him the benefit of doubt where there actually is none, is very well aware of what he did.They are.
Everyone knows it was not one, but two, Nazi salutes.
The people who won’t accept it are either trying to cover for their team, or are too full of pride to admit they support Nazis, or both.
