Note: I am a US Citizen, so this isn’t advice for me.
But hypothetically, if I met someone who is a refugee currently in the US, who would probably be jailed or executed if deported to their home country, what are some advice I could give as to their digital OPSEC?
Should they completely ditch using phones, but at the cost of not having constant communications tool to potentially receive notification I.C.E. activities?
What are your advice?
(Just want to gather the knowledge so one day I might be able to help someone)
Find an attic to live in and start writing a diary
Flawless opsec is a lot, but at least for now, it’s not how they are finding people.
It’s tips and borders at the moment. If it becomes police action as well you just have to make sure you’re not noticed by the police.
We’re probably not all that far off of papers please.
Uh… At the fear of sounding pedantic, do not go into a country illegally.
If I went to France or Guatemala, I would not be surprised if I suddenly get deported. In order for Laws to mean something, they have to be upheld.
Or are we supposed to pick and chose Laws, but only when convenient? If incorrect, can I rob you or get your Visa or MasterCard numbers? Promise not to use them. ;-)
Well the US should stop underdeveloping other countries if they didn’t want people to flee those countries.
Hmmm, fair point.
I am reminded of the Monroe Doctrine and say, Operation Condor.
Touché, friend.
First would be to avoid interactions with the police - drive extra carefully, don’t let your vehicle inspection/registration expire, etc. It’s probably no longer safe to stand in the day labor zones. If they’re working under fake credentials, it might be better to find a cash paying individual to hire them as an independent contractor. Feel out your school district - mine has said they won’t be reporting anyone as undocumented. They have started referring people for excessive absences the last couple of years (that’s about getting butts in seats for funding) so you probably want to avoid getting sent to truancy court.
Help them get to Canada?
If that’s not an option and they don’t already have claimant’s status, help them get somewhere off-grid.
If they’ve got claimant’s status already… the government is already keeping tabs on them and will likely hunt them down. Their best bet may be being sent to El Salvador where at least they won’t be tortured and killed (assuming that’s not where they’re from).
Leave the country. Seriously
Why are you there? The US always had been a shit hole but now I really don’t see why you’d want to live there
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Why are your only options the EU or US? Is every other option really unavailable/worse than ending up in a concentration camp? /Gen.
Not saying you should flee just because you face oppression, just wondering about your listed reason not to.
You’re not wrong, but if the person is from Mexico, where else do they go? If they don’t have many items and can afford a flight to another continent, they could try taking one to a country like Russia, then illegally cross into Europe, but that’s another risk.
Why couldn’t they live in Mexico? Why is the EU or US the only option? Is the rapidly declining US really so much better for you that you would risk being detained and sent to a concentration camp than live in Mexico?
It’s best to ask those who risk everything just to get to the US. I assume Mexico is inferior by most if not all metrics, at least pre-Trump. For example, you are five times more likely to be murdered in Mexico than in the US.
Edit: killed->murdered
Yes, that would obviously be best for discovering their individual reasons and I have discussed it with a few. But I’m not asking you why they come here. I’m asking why you believe what you said to be true and valid. I’m Mexican-American myself and your words just didn’t sit right with me, it felt like you were just dismissing the whole idea of people living in Mexico…like a liberalized/opposite version of the “if you love Mexico why don’t you go back!” We get whenever we show pride for Mexico (Implying that Mexico is a terrible place nobody should want to live or be proud of). I’m sure that wasn’t your intention but its how it came off to me.
As for the substance of your response.
While mexico is certainly below in most metrics on averages, that includes wealth and cost of living averages. You shouldn’t focus on just averages but the disparity between things like cost of healthcare and general living vs wages. Also being among the lower classes drastically increases your chances to be murdered in the US which isn’t accurately represented in the average national statistics. It’s not as simple as Mexico being a death pit and America is safe.
I think the mere fact of someone having (presumably) taken the great risks of entering the US illegally and staying illegally is enough to infer that going back is not seen as a viable option, hence me discussing the alternatives as requested. On the other hand, suggesting to go back to Mexico is as good as no advice, because that’s what deportation does as well.
“suggesting to go back to Mexico is as good as no advice, because that’s what deportation does as well.”
No it’s not. Do you deny the existence of the border camps? Do you deny that people are being sent to Guantanamo or an El Salvadorian concentration camp?
Suggesting they go back to Mexico is suggesting that the reward is not worth the heightened risk.
Edit: and to be clear I’m not even suggesting that they do go back. I’d just suggest that they asses the risk/reward and if they choose to stay they NEED to recognize the risk and organize within their communities accordingly.
Inform them of their rights: https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas#item-4476
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In that case, this seems pretty reasonable – disclaimer: I can’t personally attest to the effectiveness of this
