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The massive changes in US research brought about by the new administration of President Donald Trump are causing many scientists in the country to rethink their lives and careers. More than 1,200 scientists who responded to a Nature poll — three-quarters of the total respondents — are considering leaving the United States following the disruptions prompted by Trump. Europe and Canada were among the top choices for relocation.
The trend was particularly pronounced among early-career researchers. Of the 690 postgraduate researchers who responded, 548 were considering leaving; 255 of 340 PhD students said the same.
I have answered this poll myself; this is meant for scientists of all career-stages, so a lot of PhD students and postdocs along with faculty members.
I don’t think the article is paywalled, but let me know if it is.
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One of the frustrating things is the people responsible for this brain drain, the conservative idiots, will never really suffer for this. Not in a way they understand.
If we get through this, every conservative needs to go up against the wall.
And what would keep conservatism from sprouting once again in this scenario?
Conservatism is not the issue; the issue is capitalism. Put the capitalists against the wall.
Thank you, Trump!
Your brain drain is Europe’s gain.
Not your personal brain drain… that one happened during gestation.
The article was not paywalled, also I think the term we like to use for this phenomenon is “brain drain.”
The climate research community has been gutted by what’s happening with the US government. NOAA and NWS collected some of the most important and valuable data in the world for this and now that’s pretty much over. It will take decades to undo what has been done in only a few months and I’m being hopeful.
We dont have decades left to act on climate. Unfortunately, this could be our nail in the coffin on this iteration of society.
This is not how climate science works.
Everything we’re doing is “later than we should have done it”, but nothing is ever “too late to make a difference.”
The climate isn’t a lightswitch, and it’s not a bomb with a count down timer. Everything we do to improve the situation reduces the amount of total suffering that will result from anthropogenic climate change.
The notion that there is a point of no return beyond which our efforts are useless is very popular… With oil and gas executives. The “It’s too late” message is being pushed heavily by people who want to keep polluting.
In reality, it’s like getting into a car crash. Even if you brake too late to avoid the impact, braking still reduces the severity of the impact. Everything we do to reduce our carbon impact (as a species) will save lives. We are past the point of avoiding any harm at all, but we can still reduce the harm that occurs and hasten the point where we begin to restore our climate to a healthy state.
That ship may have already sailed before this administration took over, but my hope was that society could restructure itself in a way that would still sustain human life. At this point we may even be on an extinction track if nothing changes. The world is chaotic enough at 1.5C. I shutter to imagine a world at 4C.
But poor brown people suffer those consequences, so who cares? /s
“I’m leaving America!”
To go where? And do what? Even if things somehow go south it’s going to be way better in America than basically any other western country for a long time. Europe is an ineffectual footstool of the US. They should unironically take Trump’s advice and learn to take care of themselves. I would vote to give each of these people $50k if they forfeited their citizenship when they left.
It’s gonna be rough but I for one welcome EU to make use of USA’s mistakes. Just need to make sure that populism doesn’t gain any more foothold here.
I hope things improve here in the US, but at some point there’s really nothing else to do but leave. There’s a point where the US simply becomes a lost cause. I don’t know if we’re there yet, but I don’t feel like things are heading in the right direction.
Thanks.
~ Europe
Are Canada and EU countries opening their arms welcomely to science refugees?
Canada sucks ass for science funding unfortunately.
Domestic grad students have the privilege of living off a ~24k/year stipend throughout their programs which is literally below the poverty line. Keep in mind science grad students are putting in >40h weeks in the lab while also trying to have a semblance of a normal life outside of that
