cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/27946846

Jeremy Scahill Mar 31, 2025

[article contains some details on recent negotiations]

"Hamas’s chief negotiator, Dr. Khalil al-Hayya, announced that Hamas had accepted a deal on Saturday put forward by Qatar and Egypt, the two main regional mediators. “We do not want anything new. We want to respect what was signed, what the guarantors guaranteed, and what the international community approved,” al-Hayya said. “Out of our concern for our people and our families, we dealt with all offers responsibly and positively, with the aim of achieving our goals of stopping the war.” "

    • Fandangalo@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Yeah, I don’t get how the language is lost on these groups. :/ It feels like “never forget” has been forgotten & the opposite has been implemented instead. All genocide is awful.

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        The Zionist factions that were fundamental to the establishment of the Israeli state saw the Holocaust as proof of two things: first, that the Jewish people would never truly be safe in the without a country of their own, and second, that the horrors visited on Jews by the Nazis, and European antisemites before them, and the Cossacks before them, demonstrated that no extreme was unjustified in the establishment and protection of that state. Those attitudes have been at the bedrock of modern day Israel from its founding. To those who adhere to them, “Never again” is short for “Never again to us,” and damn anybody who doesn’t fit their narrow (conservative, religiously observant, largely white Ashenazi) vision of Jewishness.

        To these folks, ethnic cleansing of Palestine was always the goal, and they’ve been waiting decades for an international order that would look the other way while they purged, displaced, and slaughtered their way to complete Israeli control of the land they saw as theirs to take. Now they’ve got it, and they’re not wasting any time.

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          Plus Herzl wanted them out of Europe because he despised them, himself, thinking, I kid not, himself a “good one.”

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        It’s not lost on them. They were just using creative ways of saying the same thing for decades. Like mowing the lawn. This is just catering to the Israeli population which has become rabidly genocidal.

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        Dude, 9/11 was “never forget” – it was forgotten by the 15th year. The lessons of World War II? Not a lot of faith left in the ol’ education system these days. (I know that’s America centric, but I bet this trend isn’t unusual for most places)

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        It’s not lost on them. The real show begins when nutter Christian Zionists and nutter Jewish Zionists vye for who’s supremist supreme-est? amongst themselves.

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    Everyone who criticized Kamala Harris on what you think her Israel stance would have been, this is what you get instead.

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      Buddy they didn’t even bother to campaign or lie like Obama did during his run.

      Trump rolled into Michigan and everyone in Dearborn showed up to meet him because Kamala refused to even pull up.

      Kamala Harris on what you think her Israel stance would have been

      She banned Palestinians from talking at the DNC rally, despite the fact that the Israelis who talked had actually advocated for their speech to be presented.

      She outright refused to even acknowledge the uncommitted movement.

      If it wasn’t already clear that her entire campaign was literally just copy paste Biden, she explicitly stated that she supported Israel’s right to defend itself only two weeks into her campaign.

      Thinking Gaza would have ended any different under Biden or Kamala is nonsensical behavior. Support for Israel is bilateral, and the DNC has been spending its entire existence trying to support the most corporate shill candidates who have no moral stance on anything.

      They even got mad Obama actually won the primaries because he was too liberal for their standards.

      And before I hear hurrrr durrr ceasefire, that piece of junk agreement only flew because of a presidential transition and because Israel had zero intention of making it permanent or even extending it.

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        It’s so ironic seeing their comments here on this very article and discussion where they’re questioning “how Jewish people could support such atrocities” as they give support for the very same atrocities.

    • NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works
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      Just fuck off with this whole line of argument. If she wanted to claim any sort of moral high ground on this issue, she had ample time to denounce the genocide and claim that she’d stop it, but she didn’t do that.

      • grue@lemmy.world
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        No, you fuck off. For helping Trump come to power, Palestinians’ blood is on your hands. Nobody cares about your specious bullshit anymore.

        • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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          Kamala Harris and the rest of the DNC leadership helped Trump come to power not the voters. The voters didn’t decide their campaign platform for them.

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            I do not even slightly absolve Harris er al for their blame, but the (non)voters absolutely helped too. They failed to perform harm reduction and are thus also guilty, end of.