You know there is a difference between wise people being listened to because of experience or just because it’s been smart and suggesting rules everyone then agrees on and a feudal lord or class thereof that are exploiting a poorer majority with threats of violence and living a lavish lifestyle. There are still existing tribes in Asia or Amazonas that don’t even have words for mine and yours because the concept of owning is so foreign to them. Everything is shared. To say that they are being ruled comparably to medieval and modern systems just doesn’t make sense.

And what does that have to do with this case?

I like a quote from the German left party. Said: “Well a true democratic communism hasn’t really had the chance to prove itself yet” - which got me to think. Maybe the democratic majority just doesn’t want communism. Now why is that? I think because almost all the opinions and information they are being barraged with are coming from capitalist owned news or because most people need to have this illusion that their work or whatever they are doing will eventually make them be better off than their neighbors.

Wow. You really think there’s going to be another election?

“I respect christians who don’t force their views on me”

No, you don’t. You just prefer not to be reminded that you’re living in sin.

Everybody preaching thinks, everyone must adhere to their personal moral beliefs. They don’t.

And we are not advocating veganism by antagonizing people. That just makes YOU feel better about yourself and doesnt help the animals at all. If you actually care about animal well-being you will set your ego aside and try to actually convince the carnivores by being a good example and adapting your arguments.

I always point out that I will not discuss the morals of killing animals because it’s difficult for a lot of people. I will go on the level how our society treats the animals before killing them. Almost noone is arguing about that. And I’ve convinced a lot of people that way to at least drastically reduce their meat consumption. The rest will come later.

Isn’t it about reducing animal suffering in the world in total? It should be. Making everyone be vegan in no time at all is unrealistic. We are reducing global meat consumption by emphatically making people question their choices and not by antagonizing them. They’ll just get defensive and mock us.