Actually there was a recent rebrand, https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-fedora-atomic-desktops/

I meant identical to fedora atomic.

The developer is just kind of insane. They reimplemented wlroots from scratch all on their own, a feat that cannot be understated, and the reason they did that is because of how massively they were outpacing wlroots development in terms of features.

just some things:

1. a full proper animation stack for eyecandy
2. single window capture (sway still doesn’t have this)
3. keypress forwarding to specific windows (like xdotool)
4. global hotkey support
5. insanely good documentation: https://wiki.hyprland.org/
6. color management and HDR (sway is just now getting this)
7. proper permission management for screencopy (coming in the newest version, first compositor to implement)
8. a full plugin system for extra things you want to do
9. a proper app not responding dialog

If the feature exists, hyprland has it, almost guaranteed, they are not minimalists, which I appreciate right now while wayland is still getting everything sorted out. It’s also the only compositor i’ve used that mostly works with a certain dumb app i uses clipboard.

And just check out the rate of changes:

https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/pulse/monthly

vaxry is crazy.

The only valid choice is 3, I want the full weight of the fork to be the tongs so they don’t knock cups over. 2 is TERRIBLE

because I realized I could improve it and you hadn’t replied yet, I just added the link to kepler gpus

No, it’s a fact for everyone.

read: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

My source is a survey with thousands of respondants, your source is dude just trust me. It’s a fact, you can cover your ears and go lalala but it changes nothing

…no, it’s a statistical fact, look at my sources.

I demonstrated that was statistically false

…you mean western countries where nvidia gpu’s are the most common?

If we’re including beginners in developing countries this is even less common of an issue, when I was in india, not a single person I helped with tech had a graphics card, why would they have a 470xx series driver gpu and not an integrated system? It’s not even the cheapest choice. I recently built a PC in india, coincidentally, and we ended up going with an integrated system for a gaming PC.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

i mean, look at these stats, it’s such a minority it’s hardly worth mention. You’ll probably say “these are just the steam stats, most of them aren’t on steam anyway!” But if they’re not using steam/proton… they almost definitely aren’t using xwayland anyway so the issues don’t apply to them in the first place.

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5204/~/list-of-kepler-series-geforce-desktop-gpus

compare that to the list on the hardware survey and you’ll see how unbelievably rare this problem actually is. They don’t even make the list, it’s less than a 1% issue.

…the vast majority of beginners do not have 10+ year old hardware.

I want everyone except those who use 10+ year old hardware to move, and in fact, that’s exactly what i’ve recommended in the past.

here I am making that exact recommendation:

https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/53716147/18224187

We shouldn’t be recommending things for a tiny niche, we should be recommending what’s best on average, and as we learn about the specific needs of a user, then recommend things specifically for that user.

And it still is. Being expected to use slightly different software when you’re using a 10+ year old hardware setup is not weird. Furthermore, this is an issue with the nvidia driver support, which is proprietary, the open source drivers have no such problems. And again, this will be nearly completely solved once steam/proton stop needing xwayland.

I desperately want a smithay based hyprland clone… hyprland is just so unbelievably good, shame about the dev.

Bazzite makes it ridiculously easy, there’s just a dropdown to select the nvidia version of their ISO. It’s also a great distro for beginners for a lot of reasons:

bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically, this is fantastic for reliability, but it also has pretty up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

there’s also aurora if you want the same thing without some addons for gamers.

I thought you were referring to having to install ancient drivers that are no longer properly supported, that is still a problem on x.org, but if we use nouveau, the problems go away for the most part.

it appears the only real issue with nvidia drivers from back then on wayland is accelerated xwayland according to the arch wiki. I don’t think we shouldn’t be recommending wayland because over 10 year old gpus have a relatively minor issue but still work.

Sure, if you have ancient hardware, I actually recommend XFCE, but outside of this one niche case, it’s not wise to be recommending it.

Once steam and proton/wine get rid of xwayland… there won’t be many xwayland apps that are used on a daily basis, however, when that happens, I don’t think this will still stand.

The nvidia thing is also a problem for x.org

rpm-ostree is fedora specific, but essentially, yes, it applies a layer ontop of the base immutable system with the package changes you want.

Vnc works perfectly, and I think we’re talking 10 or more years old with the nvidia thing…

I hadn’t seen that before the change? I didn’t even know there was one.

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213095

https://discuss.getsol.us/d/6564-cant-boot-into-the-lts-kernel/3

https://discuss.getsol.us/d/4899-let-s-talk-about-the-lts-kernels

lts kernels should not be used with newer hardware… because they don’t have modern software support, anyone that uses modern hardware risks being unable to boot with them. I shouldn’t have said crashes but the issues are numerous.

The second thing doesn’t require a source, they don’t have the manpower to implement it in cinnamon, look at the github pulse: https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon/pulse

https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland debian, notorious for being the most stable distro by far already uses it by default…

At this point I don’t even know what that means because maybe you have some other weird definition to pull out of your ass. Give me that in 5th grader level.

i have only used industry standard terminology and what I said is straightforward… kernel has drivers, old kernel no has new drivers, new drivers needed for hardware support, lts kernel old.