lemonaz

So this is the first time this has happened to me since joining Lemmy but apparently my previous reply was removed for being… uncivil? I never would have guessed that’s where the line was. Sigh.

True, true

That’s a pipe dream, especially with current leadership. The Dem party needs a progressive takeover.

Not just through primaries. There needs to be public pressure for the corpo Dems to step down and make way for new leadership that is truly progressive. Trump took over the GOP by converting its base: first through the Tea Party and then MAGA.

No one is put into positions of power and influence within the party until they tow the party line.

That’s such a defeatist worldview. Did Trump tow the party line when he took it over?

Look, change is hard but not impossible, and there’s no better time for progressives to step up than this moment right now, when the Dems are at a historically low approval with the whole country. Everybody hates them for the spineless aristocratic piece of shit fascist collaborators they are.

They gotta go.

Now, whether this means the Dem party dissolves and a new one rises from the ashes, or it gets restructured but keeps the name and all the infrastructure, or it gets bullied into submission by the threat of a third party built by Bernie and AOC — all of that is abstract, procedural, immaterial. What’s material is that neoliberals must lose their power to progressives decisively, and the only way that happens is if:

a) people become disillusioned enough with neoliberals,

b) progressives are there for people to transfer their hope/faith onto them.

Both of these are happening to various degrees, especially the first one, but there’s still a long way to go for it to be decisive (polls still show Kamala Harris close to AOC in hypothetical presidential bid, but we need an enormous lead like Trump had in the GOP polls in 2022-2023, so the pressure needs to stay on).

Only when enough of the Democratic base becomes completely anti-establishment (populist messaging will get them there as long as they’re willing to listen) and demands new leadership, only then will the Pelosis and the Schumers lose their power. They haven’t actually feared their base in a long time, and that needs to change now.

So, sure — nobody from the party will put progressives in charge, the party’s base of supporters needs to demand it first. Then they can just take the power without having to ask, the same way Trump did in the GOP.

They won’t come for him because he’s probably in a Russian troll farm employed by them.

I hear ya, but people make mistakes, ya know? We can’t just persecute them forever… But having a brown sounding name, that’s where we draw the line! /s

Mf is acting like whether or not you have a job isn’t life and death for the majority of people. That’s why people were upset with him — not because of an avatar but because their existence depends on their ability to find a job.

Horrifying headline, but please, just, anyone but Bad Empanada.

I did notice you put an article as well so I’ll look into that.

Summarizing the relevant info from the sources you cited:

Wikipedia cites AP, and AP reports he indeed immigrated illegally in 2011 to escape gang violence, but doesn’t give more details. (It could be an illegal border crossing or overstaying a visa, maybe another source mentions how.) Whatever the process, his brother went through it as well a few years ago and is now a citizen. That’s who Garcia went to when initially arriving to the US. What cons don’t mention is that, despite all this, a judge granted him protection from being deported all the way back in 2019. He’s also married to a US citizen.

My 2c:

Keep speaking up against this and similar injustices, and don’t let them get away with setting the narrative!

This “illegals” hysteria will never go away until we loudly reject the idea that people deserve punishment for being undocumented, or that being undocumented makes you “illegal” / part of an invasion or “great replacement” plot / less deserving of rights such as due process / deserving of deportation in particular as punishment. Remember that being undocumented is a civil offense, like a speeding ticket. Ironically, you speeding is more dangerous to society than you being undocumented.

Don’t get bogged down on the details. Hammer them on the hard points. Whether or not he illegally immigrated doesn’t make their actions any less atrocious — they know this, otherwise they wouldn’t have to lie so much about it. Keep the pressure if you want to right this wrong. The more their abuses come to light and are fought publicly for all to see, the more people will realize how disgusting the “illegals” framing really is and how it’s all just a modern witch hunt.

There have been countless stories of tourists trying to take them home followed by the bomb squad clearing part of an airport.

Jfc…

Oh, I’m happy for you!

I’m also in Europe but a little too far east for my liking. Thinking about leaving as well (not far, just a few countries over, somewhere nice).

Yeah, it looks like America will get much worse before it gets better.

Exactly, that’s what I was getting at. I’d find it intolerable to live like that (which is what fuels their bigotry, no doubt).

I’m very sorry to hear about your experiences. I hope you’re able to shield yourself from harm until this regrettable period can be overcome. Stay safe.

my tiny violin was repossessed

I gotchu fam:

That’s certainly a part of it, especially the performative cruelty to own the libs. Though I think it goes beyond one group targeting another. It feels like a broad generic metastasized bigotry: a low-trust society full of people so high on their own grievances that they love nothing more than taking revenge on strangers. Sure, racism makes it more likely they target minorities, but that doesn’t mean everyone else is safe. When people are this paranoid, they’re just looking for reasons to blame anybody who gives them a bad “vibe” (which is most people). And they revel in it.

I know it’s not everyone behaving like this, and yes some do it more than others (e.g. uneducated white men), but it sure feels like so many people of all races/genders/etc. are fine just outsourcing their cruelty to the regime. It doesn’t matter if the targets are one race or the other, they hate them all the same (they’ll make up reasons on the spot) because they’ve learned either to take sadistic pleasure in the cruelty itself (i.e. the cruelty is the point and the target is just the “object” the cruelty is applied to, feeling just as good to them when it’s a brown Venezuelan man or a white Canadian woman) or simply to ignore it, excuse it and just not care.

It’s like Orwell’s two minutes of hate, all the time and for no reason.

Looks like someone’s been praxising.

Honestly, it’s even worse than racism. It’s just full on indiscriminate cruelty. I’ve seen people not caring even if they’re white, just zero empathy and full-throated cheerleading. They just tell themselves “they’re criminals” and don’t want to accept the reality that’s staring them in the face — probably because of the implication (that they’ve been downplaying MAGA’s words and actions for so long while “alarmist leftists” were trying to warn them, making them complicit in the horrors of today).

Respect? Who said I respect them? But letting nazis win to spite the libs is suicidal. Now not only do you get zero progressive policies through (which will kill people), you also need to spend all your energy fighting for your existing rights (which will kill people) and weathering the storm (which will kill people).

Also, remember my initial objection was to you lumping Bernie in with the corpo Dems, despite you yourself admitting that they rigged the primary (and if you won’t say against who, then I’ll say it: against Bernie).

PS: I’m done with this conversation.

Maybe you should go back to reddit and complain about voter shaming or something.

Wow, I had no idea they went so far as to specifically outlaw it. That’s insanely evil and all the more reason to stop wasting votes on third parties… which may not matter anymore given the way things are rapidly deteriorating…