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That is the only reason why they’re lonely. Nothing else. And as we all know, women have never been in a relationship with misogynists.
“Stop hating women”, “shower regularly”, “start working out”.
I’m fucking sick of this discourse. Fuck your just world fallacy.
This. It’s so incredibly immature and frankly really shitty to simplify it as “hating women”. Some people just have bad luck when it comes to dating despite their best efforts, and this sort of stuff really trivializes that and tries to put blame on them even if it’s not their fault. Not cool.
It reeks of a lack of life experience, either by young age or isolation from the world. I can’t disparage the author because I do feel what they’re feeling because this is a cause of loneliness, but at the same time, bad things do happen to good people. People suck. It happens every day. Sure, there are contributing factors, but it’s a gross oversimplification focused more on blame than solutions.
It’s similar (but not identical) to the argument that homeless people must have done something to earn their homelessness. Some do, and most could have made better choices, but that’s true for everyone. Anybody can end up in a bad situation simply because of bad luck. I’ve been around long enough to see this lesson repeated.
TLDR: there’s all kinds of creatures in this world. I’d be careful about making assumptions.
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Have you tried actually listening to people and trying to understand what they’re saying?
Of course not.
It’s easier to construct a strawman and attack that so you appear cynical and smart than to have empathy and risk someone else getting the misandrist upvotes
I don’t hate women and I don’t view them as something I’m entitled to? I’m genuinely super protective of all the women I’m friends with in my life because I know how shitty other guys can be. You’re literally proving the entire point of my argument?
Why are you making this a personal issue? The author was completely impersonal.
I’m the polar opposite of an incel. I don’t hate women, I respect them too much to subject them to my bullshit.
Is that called being a “vocel?”
I was thinking vol-cel, but yeah.
Or voxel?
Love how everybody here is hell bent on reinventing the word celibate.
This comment is intentionally insulting, intended to provoke engagement.
There’s a myriad of reasons why men might be lonely, and honestly I don’t think that being an asshole is necessarily correlated with being lonely.
I know many, many assholes who are drowning in it. People can be into that!
Inb4 “nice guys finish last”
I mean, it’s a joke. The question is just: is it a good joke?
In some ways, it punches up, and — ugh, I’m about to do the “explain the joke” thing — shows something interesting by putting a harmful effect of patriarchy on men (loneliness) next to a harmful effect of patriarchy on women and suggesting they’re connected. It’s a solid premise.
But in other ways, it’s not really punching up. Most men don’t quite benefit from patriarchy enough to make up for the ways they suffer due to patriarchy, so taking a jab at them by connecting the two is kinda shitty from that perspective.
Also, I think most men don’t really think about it, and just accept a toxic concept of superiority over women (and right to affection from women) as a fact of being a man rather than a flimsy consolation prize for playing along with a system that hurts them.
So it’s kinda bleak, leaving that part unexamined and just leaving it as a “you problem” while taking a more systemic view when it comes to the pervasiveness of men hating women.
You’re right, i’ll block them while the community is still small.
I’m not a misogynist, I’m antisocial. I don’t like men either. Now if you’re a cat, crow, wild boar, or a honey bee, I can’t get enough of you. I don’t like dogs though, they’ve been influenced too much by people. They act like humans and I don’t trust them because of it.
Weird. I also don’t trust dogs due to their innate subservience to man. What are your thoughts on dandelions?
They are edible and plentiful. I don’t drink but I have heard some people make wine from dandelions. The roots are supposed to have medicinal properties.
I just dont trust them. Their name means “lion’s tooth” in many languages, and dates back to the 1300s in Europe, where there were no lions in Europe at the time.
Oh sure, the Greeks/Romans knew what lions were (leo) through their conquests, and placed them in their stars, but how did your average north european peasant look at the flower and say “yep, looks like a lion” or even “that’s a lion’s tooth” without this frame of reference.
There must have been other names for it, and yet none are so widespread as dandelion.
I just dont trust it.
Piss-en-lit in French.
“Butterflower” in Estonian. Probably because they’re yellow?
People here are obsessed with putting them in salads.
we could all stand to profit from being more compassionate towards each other
pp, no pp, does it matter really?
(hole is hole comment goes here)
The only difference is the stubble.
There’s too much loneliness going around regardless of gender, so no, a sweeping generalization about an entire group probably isn’t the most helpful idea. Nor does it address the real problems.
Yes, but as wise Reddit teaches us, being misandrist and signaling your lack of empathy for men’s struggles is one of the indicators of a wise and reasonable person.
Misandry is getting increasingly prevalent, and it does suck. But at the same time, at least on an individual basis, I can hardly blame people for it. I don’t know if I’ve ever known a single woman has never been assaulted by a man. The fact is we collectively do have to do better.
Being a victim doesn’t excuse bigotry. You can empathize with a person without excusing bad behaviors.
I don’t want to be subjected to hate and vitriol because of the actions of another person in an event that I wasn’t involved in… do you?
Bigotry, in all forms, is bad. Even if the bigoted person thinks they have a good excuse (they always do).
I remember one of my exes repeated a statistic a lot, “one in three women are raped at least once in their life.”
I don’t think you’re appreciating the challenge of these circumstances when “not all men” might literally be the exception, not the rule.
Damn the reddit energy is crazy in this thread
Sir, this is a reddit alternative.
I can’t understand why people expect Lemmy to be less Reddit than Reddit. It’s literally a platform for people who are so deep in Reddit that they’ve developed a hatred for Reddit becoming more normie friendly.
I have the tendency to assume people are in Lemmy for the same reason as me and yeah, no, not really.
It was a chance to throw away all our faults and start anew
What do you use as your primary platform? If you don’t mind my asking.
I’m tryna diversify a bit more.
It’s literally a platform for people who are so deep in Reddit that they’ve developed a hatred for Reddit becoming more normie friendly.
Of all of the reasons I’ve heard for people leaving reddit, this has not been one of them.
This was my original reason
Since then I’ve developed a myriad more
Troll bait to make men and women hate each other.
Studies show hyper individualistic capitalist society is dissolving all social relations and making us lonelier and more alienated
Incels: well it’s worse for men so we should focus on them
Femcels: well if it is worse then it’s there fault for being misogynist
… culture war continues, nothing gets solved…
I always thought that they hated themselves but took their anger out on everyone else.
Getting out of thst cycle is definitely a toughie.
Which feeds into itself and makes the problem worse.
Hmmm.
I guess I’m not lonely. I’m single. Sure it stirs up feelings of loneliness.
Plus there are a lot of married men that share the same misogynistic views as incels on women.
A lot of married men are incels.
Is this a wife=bad joke? :o
No, I actually agree. Hear me out: think conservative Christians who married the first person they dated, because sex outside marriage = bad. Then stay together because divorce = bad. So both wish they could have had other experiences and may well be something akin to “incels,” if not outright.
That is definitely part of it. Some of it is also people who got married and had kids and found themselves in sexless marriages after some time, but the idea of going through divorce and splitting up belongings and assets and fucking up their kids seemed worse than just continuing their relationship with their hand. Especially as people get older, sex drive drops off for some.
Yes, and it doesn’t work.
Also I never really hated anyone, but was only close to hate my ex, because she was playing some silly games with me lately.
Misandry coming from a blahj user, ironic.
Not really, they are the least inclusive LGBTQ community i have ever seen.
You are the center of your universe, the only force that can ever affect you. Therefore, anything that doesn’t work out for you is all. Your. Fault.
You are responsible for all of your successes, and the lack thereof. And that is the essential point that failure, your ever-faithful friend, wants to make: that your failure could not exist without you – without your stupidity, without your lies, without your mistakes, your uselessness, your lack of faith, your ineptitude, your unjustifiable confidence in your alleged abilities, you stupid loser – failure is your only friend. Failure is your only lover. Failure is your only hope.
So befriend it. Make love to it. And believe in it with all your might. Because failure is all there is for you.
The thing standing in the way of your dreams is that the person having them is you.
; _ ;
THIS IS A THOUGHT POISON
AVOID AT ALL COSTS
They’re going to hate women even more because you said this
No because they are constantly asking “what is a women”
