They haven’t moved for months at the Gilroy Ca dealership. There’s been a line of about 20. That I bet have gone fully dead from their hazard lights going off endlessly. I wouldn’t touch those with a 20ft pole. If I ever get an EV I’ll just get the Mustang. Since I own a Mustang. Keep it in the family.
I’m not interested in a Mustang, but I am interested in doing an EV conversion at some point. I do appreciate that Ford is selling the Mustang EV transaxle as a create engine.
I had not heard of this. I’ll have to look into it.
ioniq 5, ive seen that alot.
If I ever get an EV I’ll just get the Mustang.
That’s not a real Mustang, is it?
No. Not at all. But it’s not a bad vehicle either.
Have they tried covering them in garlic?
Garlic is always the answer.
Definitely sucks for the people who thought they were doing the right thing by going electric and ended up driving Swasticars.
I know there’s an argument that those folks should have known what they were in for by the time the Cybertruck in 2023, but some people just don’t pay much attention to current events.
I drive a Subaru and couldn’t tell you who the CEO is, although in retrospect perhaps I should have done more research before buying. But even without looking I can guess that it’s some shitty billionaire who donated heavily to both the GOP and DNC. Subaru itself has a history that involves… Being a Japanese manufacturer during WW2.
You could also look at the Nazi Henry Ford and all of those gigantic pickup trucks clogging the US while also buying fossil fuels. It helps that Henry Ford is long dead, but are they really that much better than Cybertrucks?
I mean morally. Objectively, Cybertrucks are just badly designed and manufactured vehicles but that’s separate from my point. Although if I may also rant- we already know that he used the Boring company to purposely sabotage high-speed rail projects in the US. We know that he bought Twitter not to make it profitable, but to gain power over social media. When you look at Tesla- the QC issues, the labor relations issues, the missed deadlines, the proprietary charging connector, the complete mess of a car the Cybertruck is, and how he is now very actively supporting a president who seems to be trying to destroy EV’s and prop up fossil fuels… Was Elon EVER actually trying to push EV’s, or was he actively trying to sabotage them? I know this is borderline conspiratorial thinking, but a lot of his madness seems to make a lot more sense in that context.
You can’t participate in the capitalist system and have clean hands. It’s moral compromises all the way down.
Oh yes I see I got distracted and didn’t get to my conclusion: perhaps it is unwise to ostracize the creations of evil people and evil corporations.
The Cybertrucks are here. I don’t want to toss a bunch of EV’s (even bad ones) in a landfill prematurely just because the CEO is a fascist.
I don’t want to toss a bunch of EV’s (even bad ones) in a landfill prematurely just because the CEO is a fascist.
This is a fair point but I would say specifically for the Cybertrucks that it might be best to salvage the batteries and electronics and scrap the rest. They’re built so poorly when I come across one while driving at speed on the road I either hurry up to pass it or slow down and let it get well ahead.
If Nader was going to write a sequel it would be about the Cybertruck.
There was Dealership near me that had a bunch of their teslas keyed and damaged and smashed. Curious. Now that dealership can claim insurance money on the cars he can’t sell!
Imagine fire bombing Teslas and keying them just because you don’t like Musk. How sad and cult-like is that. Domestic terrorism must be worth the 20 year sentence just to hurt Musk indirectly but at the same time, most likely harming your fellow Democrats who drive the ELECTRIC VEHICLE. The man who helped popularize the EVs is now your enemy. The same EVs that Biden pushed a mandate for.
That is a cult. There can be 2 different cults, ya know. The one you’re in, and the one you despise.
What does Elmo’s taint taste like? I bet it’s salty…LOL
Imagine selling EV’s to a group of people then surprised Pikachu facing when you turn your back on them and tell them they are infected by empathy and a “woke mind virus.”
Imagine being so full of yourself that you Nazi salute away your entire international sales because guess what, the rest of the world doesn’t think it’s funny either.
Imagine.
I surprised you didn’t bring up trans athletes to defend your opinion
You’re gay but not in the fun way.
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Not everyone who opposes Trump and Musk is a Democrat, especially on Lemmy. Many of us are leftists who despise Democrats, just less than we despise MAGA fascists.
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Don’t think a lot of cybertrucks are being driven by those on the left, they weren’t released until well after Musk showed his true colors. Every cybertruck owner I’ve personally encountered has been solidly MAGA.
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Cry more.
Imagine being such a bootlicker billionaire fascist worshipper that you can’t understand what is happening.
I’d be hurt if you actually knew what fascism is. Sucks that you’re not successful enough to be a billionaire but begrudge those who are.
No one is successfully a billionaire.
No one is successful enough to be a billionaire. Accumulating that amount of wealth is not a result of hard work, it’s a result of exploitation. Begrudge all billionaires
I’d fuck both of you. How can we get you two to get along.
In a few decades we’ll get a new Back to the Future movie.
Doc, you made a time machine, out of a cybertruck?
If this baby hits 88mph you’re gonna see some serious shit…fall off.
Expect another round of " incendiary device" burned down our “trucks”.
Insurance investigators may yet bring us some justice.
despite claiming
I claim myself the Glorious Leader of the Solar System. I tried to demand the Sun to fry a little less but… I’ll try again later.
JAFFA KREE!
The whole internet seems happy about the “people” burning Teslas in protest. I am pretty sure they were all insured and given the terrible sales figures… please guess who is benefitting the most of that burning?
Having to make a ton of insurance claims is not a good thing.
Eventually you become uninsurable, which is a lot harder to overcome than a sales slump.
Insurance companies? You realize insurance isn’t free right?
I mean Tesla. Just imagine, you have a lot of unsold cars and no hope that people will rush to buy them. If you lower the price, you will admit to shareholders that it’s not going well and maybe your company is not worth more than the next eight biggest car manufacturers combined… So you can’t lower the price, at least not enough to sell all those cars, they all take space, need some maintenance, slowly rust and lose value… Or they can just burn, and you can claim that it was all because of those far left terr… Right, someone mentioned that insurance doesn’t cover terrorism, so it’s all because of those damn leftist hooligans. You would probably sold all of them, but they were destroyed. Pinky promise.
So you think the story “we can’t sell cars because half burn in the dealer and the other half won’t be touch by people in fear” is actually going to go well with shareholders?
And the quarterly policy renewal goes up… a lot.
I mean sure, he could run uninsured… but then he eats the loss now.
I don’t know what insurance rules look like when you are a billion dollar business, but I would assume they have a much better negotiating position.
I’m not saying that the renewal cost won’t go up, but I assume it won’t go up as fast and as steep as it would for us poor people.
You get better insurance rates as a large business because you have more collateral and have a larger contract. If it gets the insurance company more net money to give you a lower rate per item insured, they want that extra bit of income. Rather, the person signing the deal wants that extra bit of commission on a large contract.
If what you’re insuring costs more than the contract value, they’ll 100% hike rates to make up for it.
They’re in the business of betting that they’ll make a lot of profit while you bet they’ll only make a little profit. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, they’ll always arrange the numbers so that their worst case scenario is minimal profit.There’s no amount of money you can pay someone to lose money on a deal.
They do, but it’s not infinite lmao, insurance companies will either charge out the ass, or drop them regardless.
I work at a very large company and you’d be surprised how many of the inconsequential or seemingly silly decisions made are rooted in insurance coverage.
Insurance doesn’t usually cover “acts of terrorism” so it will be funny if that’s how it gets classified.
Probably they will blame it to “Battery quality/integrity”
If they did, wouldn’t that make the cars much more expensive to insure?
Insurance fraud is really hard to hide, that’s the first thing insurance companies investigate, particularly if the claimant is a car dealership. This has been a popular criminal activity for decades, my uncle used to pull this scam with his motorcycle club, they all got caught.
This comment has no logic… yes, maybe Tesla itself is not at a loss due to vandalism here but insurance companies would drop either Tesla (the company) as a client or deny insurance to people buying Swasticars which would make the sales slump into a sales halt
This is really bad for Tesla either way if you are willing to look 1 mm beyond
You are right, but there probably is a “safe” number of Teslas that can burn, before insurance companies drop Tesla (or increase insurance prices to make it unprofitable).
Insurance frauds, if not caught, tend to be profitable.
Edit: I just want to add that I do not have any personal experience with insurance frauds… It’s just my little conspiracy theory… I won’t respond anymore, must go and make my first tinfoil cap.
Are these pieces of junk for sale anywhere outside of Trumpistan? I travel all over the EU for work constantly and I’ve never see one over here, ever.
The cybertruck doesn’t pass a multitude of safety regulations. And is therefore not street legal in the EU. But there are ways around that by directly importing it from the US. The Dodge Ram is not street legal in the EU either but has been making use of an importing loophole to get on the streets.
I’ve never seen one in Australia. They don’t meet the ADR (Australian Design Rules) so they literally cannot be sold except for use on private land - a farmer could drive one around their field if they so desired. When asked about international sales Musk said he didn’t want to design it for a global market because that would “make the design worse” which is really saying something.
This article is from last year but still applicable. Given sales and events since then I think the title can be updated from “any time soon” to “ever”, and that warms my heart a little. https://www.drive.com.au/news/why-tesla-cybertruck-not-coming-australia/
So glad we don’t have the cyberfuck in Australia, the stupid massive pickups are bad enough.
The UK won’t allow them at all. Recently, someone imported one elsewhere in Europe. When they brought it to the UK, it got seized as dangerous. Even though it wasn’t even UK registered. I believe several other countries view it in the same light.
I’d actually be surprised if they even fit on a lot of European roads.
EU banned them from the streets, as they arnt safe i believe, it doesnt follow thier regulations.
Well, not banned explicitly, they just didn’t pass the safety regulations all vehicles must adhere to. Main issue is pedestrian safety, due to the sharp edges of the panels.
I don’t think they’re legal in EU, couldn’t pass the safety tests.
Makes sense.
Last I heard, sales were down 94% in Germany, so that means they are, technically, for sale in Germany. I think they’re very different than American ones though
Teslas are. Not Cybertrucks.
I see entirely too many of these pieces of shit in Vancouver.
Cybertrucks aren’t street legal in stock configuration in Czechia, however I’ve seen one idiot on Facebook who bought one and paid about the same as the car on top of it to make it street legal. It looks even dumber lol.
Find pictures and share, please. I want to gaze at the monstrousity and laugh with schadenfreude.
https://www.instagram.com/cybertruckvcesku/feed/
The whole profile is pure insanity.
He managed to make it even uglier.
It’s like sprinkling glitter on a turd, it’s still a turd.
Except, it isn’t glitter. It’s more like puking on a turd.
They are all over the place in Norway.
My wife and I are in the market for a 3rd car because our oldest is driving to community college most days, leaving us down to one car between us. She wants an EV, so we’ve been shopping the local used lots. They all have DOZENS of Teslas, and they’re very eager to sell them.
Vehicles so shit even the manufacturer doesn’t want them
I saw one yesterday in the wild. It’s unusual for where I live, we’re not rich here, and being a blue state, we’re not stupid, either.
Surprisingly, it still had all of it’s body panels intact.
I want to hear a documentary, narrated by David Attenborough, about the wild Cybertrucks.
“As the Cybertruck sleeps, it is blissfully unaware of the approaching storm. If the thunder doesn’t wake it soon enough, it may succumb to its greatest existential threat: wetness. In the bushes, a Patriot rattles a paint can.”
Unfortunately, you’ll need to settle for Whistlin Diesel for now.
Although, it was pretty entertaining in a Jackassian Park kind of way.
Has any other car manufacturer ever had a similar policy of not accepting their own vehicles as trade-ins?
What is that trade-in? You give your old car to get a discount for a new? How does it work? Why does it work? I do I understood this completely wrong?
Did you think people threw thier cars out when they bought a new one?
Works just like that. Dealer takes your trade-in, usually paying you a decent amount less than you could get selling it yourself (this is a spot where you have rk make a time value for money decision). You apply that cash to your new car you’re buying from them.
The dealer (if they are good) cleans and fixes any issues with the trade-in and either sends it to auction or sells it on their own lot.
I always sell my cars privately, and I’ve always gotten good value for them. But then, I never buy new cars. I’ll generally buy a low-mileage car that’s 3 or 4 years old.
Yep, really depends on your personal feelings around your money.
I am generally a used car kind of guy, but this is how trade-ins work. For some people, they’d rather just not have to deal with selling a car even if they could get a lot more for it. The dealerships provide them that service at a significant cost. 🤷♂️
This process is so ingrained in the process here in the US that if you look up price estimates of used cars online, they will give you both a “dealer trade-in” value and a “private party” value.
That’s right. Where I am it’s a tax scam to support dealerships.
If you trade in a $10k car on a $20k one, you pay sales tax on $10k. If you sell your car to someone else for $10k and then buy the $20k car, you pay sales tax on $20k and the new owner of your car pays sales tax on $10k.
What? Where is that legal? You should be paying tax on the full purchase price of the new vehicle. In every transaction I’ve done, the trade-in is simply treated as part of the down payment or the full payment if you aren’t financing.
https://www.motorenn.com/vehicle-trade-in-tax-benefits-by-state (not the biggest fan of this but can’t find one I like better)
The same thing applies to houses and many other large purchases. Also most states that offer a trade in discount also let you sell the car private party (or to another dealer) and claim it on your taxes. You just have to file more paperwork vs the dealer figuring that out for you.
Huh, TIL.
Why would car manufacturers want their old cars?
Not manufacturers, dealers. A legally required middleman in most of the US. They’ll take your $10k car for $7k and try to resell it for $12k. Even if it gets negotiated to a fair price, they still get the opportunity to upsell used car buyers into extended warranties and maintenance plans.
Tesla is a little different in that they do not have dealers, so they instead do no-negotiatiation sales on their used cars. It’s good for them because they can do the same buy low sell high deal. But when the model is not selling, they’ll have to buy it and sit on that asset for months or dump it at auction.
It usually doesn’t work quite like the example above. Using that example…the dealership will only give you $4k for your old car, even though it’s worth $10k. They then turn around and sell it for anywhere from $8-12k, netting themselves a tidy profit on the vehicle now for the second time.
The convenience makes this worthwhile for most car buyers, even if they could get another few thousand if they did everything themselves and paid full taxes. Dealership of course loves it and laughs all the way to the bank.
Or they give you more on the trade-in and claw it back by offering you shit terms from their captive finance company.
Some carmakers don’t make a profit manufacturing and selling cars, they only make it on finance.
Good point, this is fairly common as well. I’d recommend avoiding financing entirely if at all possible because of this, simply not worth it for a car unless it’s the only way you can get one that’s in decent shape.
If you have to finance, often times you can get a much better rate from your local credit union instead. Use that to make the purchase, instead of the dealer’s financier.
Interesting, wonder how the economics work for the different players. Also, tangentially:
A decade or two ago, a lady working in dealer finance lamented how internet bank rate comparisons had really rained on their parade
“I want this rate”, she explained customers would say, pointing at a printout or their phone and expecting a match.
Imagine how fat those margins would’ve been when they knew a customer hadn’t yet called around researching rates!
It’s what Game Stop (and a myriad of other “buy, sell, trade” stores) does with used games and consoles but with cars. eBay exists but most people don’t want to go to that much trouble.
Because they can (usually) resell them for more than they give you for it.
Usually. They might have trouble with Teslas.
Because they lowball you
No. Dealerships might have said “we have too many EVs right now” to you if you came in with your Nissan Leaf when there was an over-supply. But the idea that the entire manufacturer is blanket not accepting their own car, that new.
No other major manufacturers sell directly to customers so no. Dealerships don’t care as long as you’re buying something. Many cars they take as trade wind up going straight to auction.
I mean do they care a bit. If it doesn’t sell at auction or goes for basically nothing they could lose whatever value they gave to you for trade in.
I have knowledge of how car salesweasels operate. There’s a thing called the Devil’s Triange: sale price, trade-in value, finance terms. If they give way on one of those vertices, they claw it back on one or both of the others. When the smarmy git goes out to talk to their manager, they’re showing them that they’re making their margin on the deal.
That’s also why it’s hard to negotiate with them if you disclose that you’re a cash buyer and don’t have a vehicle to trade in: you’ve removed two of their three degrees of freedom.
As a cash buyer, I went through my last dealership purchase and ordered a car with the $4k “warranty” scam plus accepted their scammy financing. Closed the deal and drove away with my car, then the next day I called and cancelled the warranty for a full refund and took my cash and paid off the loan in full.
It’s a hassle, but you have 3 days to cancel all that scammy junk with no recourse. That’s what it took to get the cash price I wanted.
I can’t imagine a court in the country seeing a problem with the call and cancel trick. Although,
permission to moralize?
personally, I want to get a great deal in a way I’ll feel good about… maybe have a story to share with fellow misers.
But I do put myself in the business’s shoes and I think it’s fair for everyone to walk out knowing how good of a deal they got and how much money they made.
And when you’re inside the building and they run their numbers and based on that they shake your hand, to go outside of the building and reach back to change the numbers–in a way that’d make them take back the handshake–it exceeds the level of cunning I’d want to be in a negotiation.
Also Lemmings, I promise I am not the parent commenter’s mother. Someone, take my soapbox before I make someone else want to log off! 😇
Plus they have their big book that shows current values and trends with used vehicles (like KBB on steroids) so just a cursory glance at your trade-in to ensure the transmission isn’t falling out and dragging on the ground should be a safe bet that they’ll be able to recoup most of the book value on the trade.
I’m pretty sure I watched a very persuasive infomercial from our president on why we should buy them.
This is obviously due to the liberal media brainwashing consumers not to buy them.
OR…
It’s produced by a Nazi.
It could be that this vehicle has averaged a major recall every 60 days since release.
Gas pedal detaches itself for spontaneous fully automated joy rides.
It looks like what happened if oops all polygons fucked a roll of tinfoil.
It rusts, the panels fly off, and if you take it through a car wash it’ll total it.
It hasn’t lived up to any of the hype or range estimates stated.
The trailer hitch is held on by the polycarbonate (plastic that went to college) frame, so enjoy causing a massive traffic fatality while towing (even within the recommended towing capacity specs).
It’s 14 times more dangerous than the Ford Pinto which was on the market 3x longer and became synonymous with explosions.
Lastly, it’s become a way of explicitly telling the world I have a $100,000 truck and a $10 brain.
He’s not a Nazi, he’s just a far-right, authoritarian, ethnonationalist, pretending to be a champion of the working class.
Wow. Post-production quality control. Such dedication.
I bet detachable gas pedals make them easier to replace.
Probably saved a lot of money in design by not having to pay a bunch of liberal artists.
Those are sacrificial anodes. They’re supposed to rust. The panels are ablative hull armor designed to mitigate damage to the unibody and distract rival drivers, thereby assisting in escape. It’s nice of them to incentivize water conservation.
Gotta keep the other car companies guessing.
That’s a randomized defensive countermeasure.
No risk. No reward. Being this awesome comes at the risk of being a danger to oneself and others. That’s a sacrifice many drivers are willing to make.
The dancers at the club really like it. I think one of them is falling for me.
(Just guessing that’s how that conversation goes)
plastic that went to college
Thanks, I’m really appreciating the afterlife
You forgot that it looks so much like a dumpster raccoons will try to break into it
Womp womp. Glued together piece of scrap plastic
