• SaltSong@startrek.website
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    14 days ago

    Violence is almost always the solution. Civilization is an effort to find a better solution. But people who reject the systems we’ve built up seem to forget why we built then.

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        14 days ago

        That’s not why we built them. They got hijacked for that, and they need fixing.

        They were built so we had an alternative to killing each other over disputes.

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          That’s not why we built them

          Isn’t it though? The police were created to hunting down escaped slaves. The government was set up to keep the wealthy land owners in charge (only they could vote afterall). Schools were created to meet the needs of growing industry.

          I’m struggling to find anything that was built specifically for the people and not the rich.

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            The USA didn’t invent the concept of police or government.

            The first police were appointed to investigate and punish minor crimes commited agains civilians.

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          Then why are most “uncivilized” societies have more egalitarian and non-violent than “civilized” ones?

          And why has every civilization since the dawn of them been about using violence to uphold the status quo?

          The institutions aren’t broken. They’re working as designed.

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            Then why are most “uncivilized” societies have more egalitarian and non-violent than “civilized” ones?

            Uncivilized societies engage in violence much more frequently than civilized societies.

            That’s the case for individual/personal violence, and also for institutional/mass violence.

            Civilized societies are better than uncivilized society in anything they do collectively, be it science, production, or murder.

            Since civilized societies are so much better at murdering, the few cases where mass murder does happen are much more significant.

            However, such cases remain an exception, as opposed to what is the case for uncivilized societies.

            Uncivilized societies may be harmless, but they are certainly not peaceful.

            Civilized societies are more powerful, but they yield their power much more carefully.

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      Civilisation is about pooling resources to make a consistent supply of beer and food. It makes no clear preference between violence and peace. Crops are easier to grow during peace, while war affords more land to grow crops. So the optimum strategy for a civilisation is to alternate between periods of peace and war.