The lefts incessant battle about words and PR policing has been part of the reason we keep losing elections.
It’s such an easy way to drive the casual person away, when you are constantly switching definitions and trying to trip people up to call them assholes, because they didn’t immediately agree with you about switching the definition of a word.
They are such nonsense issues but they are fantastic at dividing left from right, and even splintering the left itself.
It honestly feels like some right wing think tank tried to come up with a way to undermine the message and credibility of the left, by having them fight word battles all day long. And oh boy has it worked.
Nobody is arguing to change the definition of words. We’re just saying you’re an asshole for insisting on using them.
It is your persistence is completely missing the point that produces so much infighting. So… are you a fool who constantly misses the point? Or do you say this BS in an attempt to persist the infighting? Either way, rather shamefully low level of thought you’re putting in to this…
It’s very similar to some cointelpro strategies for derailing leftist meetings by trying to drag out processes and procedures. I guess that doesn’t work forever though because processes can get refined in ways to minimize disruption and mitigate the effects of bad faith behavior, and also there are a lot fewer leftist organizations with procedures that can be abused. But there are leftist discussion spaces, and those can still be derailed and made alienating with language games.
yes? Legally hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so by definition something must be classified as hate speech, racism for example. Generally hate speech. I don’t know if this word specifically would be.
I guess you could subjectively classify it as hate speech, but there is a lot of hateful speech out there, so that might get redundant pretty quick.
If someone thinks “I have leftist ideals but I can’t say retard and people online hurt my feelings over it. I’m voting MAGA,” then they don’t have leftist ideals.
As far as I know, policing specific word usage has never been a large focus. It’s a side conversation. People are able to have side conversations without losing focus.
i think the biggest problem is that it’s a less effective use of time, you could spend that time on something more productive, like building a better community, or improving support for marginalized groups, but no we’re hear yelling about joe rogan being stupid instead.
At the end of the day, i just don’t think it’s very productive.
Says the person vehemently going through this thread defending the use of the word retard for the past thirty minutes. Why don’t you lead by example, then?
You realize we’ve lost all three branches and have basically lost every position that matters? Women are worse off, Trans people are worse off, colored people are worse off. The lack of self reflection is staggering.
Note also that I never mention any specific word, yet you’re going off like some lunatic white knighter.
That is the problem. Not only are people bickering about words, they are bickering about whether we should be bickering…
The lefts incessant battle about words and PR policing has been part of the reason we keep losing elections.
It’s such an easy way to drive the casual person away, when you are constantly switching definitions and trying to trip people up to call them assholes, because they didn’t immediately agree with you about switching the definition of a word.
They are such nonsense issues but they are fantastic at dividing left from right, and even splintering the left itself.
It honestly feels like some right wing think tank tried to come up with a way to undermine the message and credibility of the left, by having them fight word battles all day long. And oh boy has it worked.
Nobody is arguing to change the definition of words. We’re just saying you’re an asshole for insisting on using them.
It is your persistence is completely missing the point that produces so much infighting. So… are you a fool who constantly misses the point? Or do you say this BS in an attempt to persist the infighting? Either way, rather shamefully low level of thought you’re putting in to this…
It’s very similar to some cointelpro strategies for derailing leftist meetings by trying to drag out processes and procedures. I guess that doesn’t work forever though because processes can get refined in ways to minimize disruption and mitigate the effects of bad faith behavior, and also there are a lot fewer leftist organizations with procedures that can be abused. But there are leftist discussion spaces, and those can still be derailed and made alienating with language games.
i think there’s some nuance and intent definitely matters however i still think it’s something you would avoid saying, it’s like half a dozen words
I feel like it shouldn’t be political to not use hate speech
is retard classified as hate speech under the US federal government?
Is anything classified as hate speech? I though it was subjective for the most part
yes? Legally hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so by definition something must be classified as hate speech, racism for example. Generally hate speech. I don’t know if this word specifically would be.
I guess you could subjectively classify it as hate speech, but there is a lot of hateful speech out there, so that might get redundant pretty quick.
Guys, let’s cater the leftist movement to coddle centrist and conservative snowflakes otherwise we’re pushing them away
you can do the exact thing you want to do, without having to police specific word usage, it’s misdirected focus, that’s the problem.
If someone thinks “I have leftist ideals but I can’t say retard and people online hurt my feelings over it. I’m voting MAGA,” then they don’t have leftist ideals.
As far as I know, policing specific word usage has never been a large focus. It’s a side conversation. People are able to have side conversations without losing focus.
i think the biggest problem is that it’s a less effective use of time, you could spend that time on something more productive, like building a better community, or improving support for marginalized groups, but no we’re hear yelling about joe rogan being stupid instead.
At the end of the day, i just don’t think it’s very productive.
Says the person vehemently going through this thread defending the use of the word retard for the past thirty minutes. Why don’t you lead by example, then?
i’m not an example lmao, i’m a retard on the internet. If i was leading by example i would be a successful politician, not here yapping with people.
Then you’re talking out of your ass and you should stop telling us what is and isn’t a waste of time
bro it’s lemmy, i’m not the government, it’s just my opinion.
You realize we’ve lost all three branches and have basically lost every position that matters? Women are worse off, Trans people are worse off, colored people are worse off. The lack of self reflection is staggering.
Note also that I never mention any specific word, yet you’re going off like some lunatic white knighter.
That is the problem. Not only are people bickering about words, they are bickering about whether we should be bickering…
I’m… “going off”? Get real. Some people don’t like a word. Not a big deal for you? Then stay out of it. You literally started the bickering.