I think this has happened enough for even the most basic and braindead hololive fans to notice, that the company’s direction is not good for the talents. Does it have anything to do with them going public? Maybe, but without any whistleblowing on anyone’s part, I just hope good talents would think twice before going with hololive.
I’m not so sure about it necessarily being bad for the talents. It seems more like Cover is doubling down on the “idol” side of things and trying to reinforce the brand image they’ve always said they want.
The shift in focus means music and concerts seem to be more prioritized. Which means more travel for the talents in order to get studio time, and fewer opportunities for non-music oriented talents.
The pattern I’ve noticed is that the talents who are leaving (and don’t have chronic health issues) are the talents who have more of a focus on streaming and less of a focus on singing and dancing.
There’s also been a shift in “vtuber culture” where discussion of “past lives” has less of a stigma around it meaning it’s now pretty easy for talents to retain their audience when they go indie or move to another corporation.
Combine that with the general success vtubers as a whole are seeing and it’s pretty easy to come go the conclusion that a lot of the less music focused talents will graduate and then go indie or join a less music focused corporation.
Streaming/vtubing is a job and just like most people who work a regular 9-5 will change companies from time to time, I think it’s only natural for vtubers to do the same. Especially now that it’s much easier for whatever success they’ve already had to follow them.
I think these graduations are a result of vtubing as a whole seeing broad success, Cover trying to get their brand image to align with what they’ve always stated it to be, and the talents deciding whether or not that fits with what they want to do. While I don’t think this pattern is particularly great for Cover in the short-term, I do ultimately think that in the long-term this is a good thing for both Cover and, more importantly the talents.
That’s what I think too, but really, rather than lose Fauna, Ame and especially THE Gura, I would give the freedom to do more what they feel more inclined to… more so if the alternative is to lose them.
I mean, it’s not like they lack the singing/dancing girls.
The pattern I’ve noticed is that the talents who are leaving (and don’t have chronic health issues) are the talents who have more of a focus on streaming and less of a focus on singing and dancing.
I suspect over the next three years or so we’ll see a lot of graduations from both of those branches and newer gens will have a stronger focus on music.
I’d be willing to bet that by the end of 2027 we’ll see all of the following members graduate and pop back up as either an indie or a member of another corpo:
Ina
Kronii
Biboo
Shiori
Gigi
Raora
Zeta
Kaela
Iofi
Risu
Ollie and FuwaMoco I’m less certain of in that time frame but I doubt they’ll still be in holo by 2030.
I’m guessing some people don’t want to be forced to fly to Japan multiple times a year (which they pay out of their own pockets) to do idol concerts and whatever else Cover has them do. A few EN talents have moved to Japan because it’s easier.
Yup, this is the most clear of explanations. You can see how among the first two gens, the 5 talents left are all either Japan-based, or used to flying/traveling.
Idk, most don’t seem to like the direction Cover is going towards and that’s fine.
We don’t know anything else like we do with Nijisanji, so sweeping statements like:
the company’s direction is not good for the talents.
Isn’t really something you can say just based on that. We know the company is shifting direction, and that usually results in things like this. Happens with regular companies too.
I feel like if there was anything like Nijisanji going on, we’d know.
We can’t really know anything about the company’s direction, just assuming that “it’s not good for the talents” is a bit much, especially considering that “this has happened enough” with:
-Mumei, who has throat issues and irl things to sort out
-Gura, who has been on the verge of graduating for the past 2 years and was very clearly dealing with burnout
-and Ame, who also was close to burnout issues, and is still struggling with them even as an indie.
I could understand the narrative 4 months ago, when Fauna graduated seemingly out of nowhere and it looked like Ame would start streaming regularly as an indie, but those two recent EN graduations were really nothing too surprising, and with Ame’s recent post it’s clear that her issue wasn’t with Hololive specifically either.
Of course again, we don’t know anything for sure so it could definitely be true that the company had a massive shift, talents are pissed and the ones still left are just bearing with it for one reason or another, but acting like it’s clear that Cover is 100% in the wrong brings nothing useful to the table.
I think this has happened enough for even the most basic and braindead hololive fans to notice, that the company’s direction is not good for the talents. Does it have anything to do with them going public? Maybe, but without any whistleblowing on anyone’s part, I just hope good talents would think twice before going with hololive.
I’m not so sure about it necessarily being bad for the talents. It seems more like Cover is doubling down on the “idol” side of things and trying to reinforce the brand image they’ve always said they want.
The shift in focus means music and concerts seem to be more prioritized. Which means more travel for the talents in order to get studio time, and fewer opportunities for non-music oriented talents.
The pattern I’ve noticed is that the talents who are leaving (and don’t have chronic health issues) are the talents who have more of a focus on streaming and less of a focus on singing and dancing.
There’s also been a shift in “vtuber culture” where discussion of “past lives” has less of a stigma around it meaning it’s now pretty easy for talents to retain their audience when they go indie or move to another corporation.
Combine that with the general success vtubers as a whole are seeing and it’s pretty easy to come go the conclusion that a lot of the less music focused talents will graduate and then go indie or join a less music focused corporation.
Streaming/vtubing is a job and just like most people who work a regular 9-5 will change companies from time to time, I think it’s only natural for vtubers to do the same. Especially now that it’s much easier for whatever success they’ve already had to follow them.
I think these graduations are a result of vtubing as a whole seeing broad success, Cover trying to get their brand image to align with what they’ve always stated it to be, and the talents deciding whether or not that fits with what they want to do. While I don’t think this pattern is particularly great for Cover in the short-term, I do ultimately think that in the long-term this is a good thing for both Cover and, more importantly the talents.
That’s what I think too, but really, rather than lose Fauna, Ame and especially THE Gura, I would give the freedom to do more what they feel more inclined to… more so if the alternative is to lose them. I mean, it’s not like they lack the singing/dancing girls.
That’s most of EN though…
It’s also a sizable chunk of ID.
I suspect over the next three years or so we’ll see a lot of graduations from both of those branches and newer gens will have a stronger focus on music.
I’d be willing to bet that by the end of 2027 we’ll see all of the following members graduate and pop back up as either an indie or a member of another corpo:
Ollie and FuwaMoco I’m less certain of in that time frame but I doubt they’ll still be in holo by 2030.
I’m guessing some people don’t want to be forced to fly to Japan multiple times a year (which they pay out of their own pockets) to do idol concerts and whatever else Cover has them do. A few EN talents have moved to Japan because it’s easier.
Yup, this is the most clear of explanations. You can see how among the first two gens, the 5 talents left are all either Japan-based, or used to flying/traveling.
Idk, most don’t seem to like the direction Cover is going towards and that’s fine. We don’t know anything else like we do with Nijisanji, so sweeping statements like:
Isn’t really something you can say just based on that. We know the company is shifting direction, and that usually results in things like this. Happens with regular companies too.
I feel like if there was anything like Nijisanji going on, we’d know.
Still worrying, but not that bad imo.
We can’t really know anything about the company’s direction, just assuming that “it’s not good for the talents” is a bit much, especially considering that “this has happened enough” with:
-Mumei, who has throat issues and irl things to sort out
-Gura, who has been on the verge of graduating for the past 2 years and was very clearly dealing with burnout
-and Ame, who also was close to burnout issues, and is still struggling with them even as an indie.
I could understand the narrative 4 months ago, when Fauna graduated seemingly out of nowhere and it looked like Ame would start streaming regularly as an indie, but those two recent EN graduations were really nothing too surprising, and with Ame’s recent post it’s clear that her issue wasn’t with Hololive specifically either.
Of course again, we don’t know anything for sure so it could definitely be true that the company had a massive shift, talents are pissed and the ones still left are just bearing with it for one reason or another, but acting like it’s clear that Cover is 100% in the wrong brings nothing useful to the table.