• TronBronson@lemmy.world
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      7 hours ago

      Bro you already have anarchy, trump has turned the USA into a lawless place. This is it chief. Enjoy.

      • Match!!@pawb.social
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        anarchism is the dissolution of the state and its monopoly on violence, not the dissolution of law. an anarchic society can have a law but no state, but a state and no law is a dictatorship

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          In a society with equally distributed power of violence you wouldn’t have laws, but mere loose agreements. It is the monopoly on violence that gives one the authority to impose laws.

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            given the way real world “monopolies” on violence work, i would contend that true law has never existed

          • 反いじめ戦隊@ani.social
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            Laws which are used to oppress the poor, and not the colonists extracting wealth from other nations.

            Your statist propaganda machine worked so well, that you have people confusing anti oppression tools with oppression tools. Hurrah for European Neoliberalism, Hurrah!

    • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.worldM
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      Anarchy just shifts the problem from “people with the most money bully the people with less” to “people with the most guns bully the people with less”.

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        Did we read the same praxis?

        What problems are there in: “Everyone should be armed! Money is theft!”?

        Guns are not the only deterrent to intolerance, btw. We use bolt cutters too.

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          10 hours ago

          What problems are there in: “Everyone should be armed! Money is theft!”?

          Innumerable.

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            Anarchism doesn’t really have a great answer to that question, and frankly I really dont think it needs one. It’s reckons that people who understand the freedoms they have will fight to maintain them, and it understands those ideas within the context of now, rather than trying to thread a shakey narrative through all of history. If you want men from 100 years ago to answer all your questions today then Marxism is probably closer to what you want

            Doubtless you can find Anarchist arguing about that question, its a good question. But at its core Anarchism is a more of a philosophy rather than an ideology. Its a collection of tools that one can employ to solve problems and win concessions from authority.

            That said if you want to see some of said argument, The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow gives some nice answers. And does so whilst trying to build on the up to date evidence about what life was like that long ago.

            • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.worldM
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              Ah makes sense, thank you for that great answer (:

              So in the root it relies on a belief that “good” people are in the majority and that our current structure gives an outsized amount of power to “bad” people?

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                Yea it basically requires that you are either a bad actor pretending this is true, or a basement dweller who choses to believe this is true. They have no idea the kind of assholes you meet traversing society, or they are the assholes. The 5 million people in Manhattan are just not going to live peacefully without law and order. Be fun to watch tho.

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            From inaction and popular belief that they can give people safety. People gave the “defense” job to kings and goverments with belief that they could focus on other stuff, not realizing they are giving up their freedom. Soon, kings and gov start to violate people all around.

            • Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com
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              To be fair, the ancient world was wildly unsafe and governments did provide a modicum of safety. Not just against aggressions, but also in terms of reliable access to food.

            • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.worldM
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              And what’s stopping another group from using oppression to get the monopoly on power again once anarchy is introduced?

                • Thekingoflorda@lemmy.worldM
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                  Well, would you mind telling what I should read to understand it better? The first link you send I did read, the second has thousands of files, so I didn’t know where to start.

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                  Well, can you point us to an example where anarchy effectively worked? With more than a thousand people?

                  It just doesn’t seem to function, and you just don’t want to try to figure out why and fix it.

                  That’s the problem IMO with anarchists (like you).

  • McDropout@lemmy.world
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    Both are supportive of oppression of the global south, have a direct hand in a genocide happening as we speak. Both support the terrorists of Israel. Both are detaining immigrants. Both are stealing kids from immigrant families. Both have systemic racism issues.

    North americans are delusional that “we have it better” here in ‘Europe’.

    Mais oui… Liberté Égalité Fraternité 🇫🇷