• Fair Fairy@thelemmy.club
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    See. When countries rely on tariffs to protect local manufacturers - there should be way way way better social system in place and laws protecting working class. Because we are the ones in this case allowing this ineffective manufacturing to exist by paying tariffs

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    Let’s talk about the moment Donald Trump blinked. It wasn’t loud. It wasn’t a tweetstorm or a rally rant. When the tariff threats that had the world on edge—125% on China, 25% on Canada’s autos, a global trade war in the making—suddenly softened. A “pause,” he called it. A complete turnaround from the chest-thumping of the past week. And the reason? Mark Carney and a slow, deliberate financial maneuver that most people didn’t even notice: the coordinated Treasury bond slow bleed. (https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/carneys-checkmate-how-canadas-quiet-bond-play-forced-trump-to-drop-tariffs/) This is Mark Carney. Thank you, fellow Canadians, for voting for the experienced Captain to man the helm in the rough waters ahead!

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    Cambridge Analytica is the reason we’re in this mess. It’s the actual Deep State the Republicans were pointing fingers about

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        I still hear plenty of people say that not only are they the same but what is happening right now would have happened regardless who was president.

        I simply do not understand the world these ppl live in

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          I dont understand it either and get massively downvoted for discussing that they aren’t the same.

          It’s disheartening…

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          No you do understand the world they live in. The problem is they don’t understand the world they live in

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    What people in the US also need to realize is, that the rest of the world still enjoys more or less unchanged prices on these sites. It is only the US that has put tarrifs on them and it has only affected the American consumers

    On the other hand, American products are getting more expensive everywhere else, because of the retaliational tarrifs by the usa.

    So it is a double edged sword, but the US is holding it by it’s blade! With both hands!

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      The US is screaming and holding a hot pan fresh out of the oven, but refusing to just set it down and use the fucking oven mits next time.

      Meanwhile, other countries are watching this happen, but somehow having a relatively difficult time deciding if they maybe want to give it a try with their own government.

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      was an article that EU is gonna get flooded by super cheap items now, china will sell at a loss. that is gonna take shares from US items even more, and US items was already overpriced and gonna become even more expensive.

      its like triple loss for US. they need to lower US wages if they want be able to compete.

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        The American market is a massive part of some companies yes. But most companies only have a small percentage of revenue in the US.

        Listen… the US is just one country. Its a big one and one that buys a lot. But still one country. Many companies can compensate the loss of that market by exploring the many other markets that they have down played. Furthermore, the availability of products that would have gone to the US may even make it cheaper to make and sell products everywhere else than in the US

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    Found the fucking idiots who couldn’t be bothered to vote for Kamala.

    Or that voted for donvict because “R”.

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      Retirement vanishing, social services being cut, tariffs destroying global trust and economy… It’s ok. It’s ok. Because Donald Trump doesn’t laugh. Kamala had a weird laugh. That would’ve been the end of us.

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        There’s also the time JCPenney’s actually had everything at the best price and so they weren’t doing discounts. But everyone was waiting for the ‘sales’. Your average American would rather have something be marked up $200 and then listed as 75% off than just pay $50 regular price.

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          Americans would work as a dishwasher and believe it’s the American dream.

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      Yup.

      Gonna spend the rest of my life knowing I’m surrounded by fucking morons. And I’m not some genius. I had a typical public education. I guess the difference is I actually paid attention.

      Not a great feeling. Especially since that probably means things aren’t generally gonna get better. Can’t have a good society if it’s overflowing with dipshits.

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        I’m in the same boat as you. I think I’m pretty middle of the pack. The bottom is filled with genuine morons.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Gonna spend the rest of my life knowing I’m surrounded by fucking morons. And I’m not some genius. I had a typical public education. I guess the difference is I actually paid attention.

        Yep, I’m smart enough to know I’m not that smart. But I can at least look around me and go “This isn’t normal, right?”

        It’s a weird fucking curse to have. Smarter than the average American due to the decades of under-funding the education system. I know how to use a computer more than boomers and younger people stuck using machines locked down by corporations.

        Ask me to do a math question higher than high school level? I’m going to flounder. You ask me who was president in 1890 without looking it up, I probably know it. And I know that’s not exactly a flex, it’s probably overall better to know more advanced math than trivia, but it’s just how my brain works.

        And yet I’m still smarter than Trump and his cultists.

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        What’s the George Carlin quote? Something about how stupid the most average person you know is, then realize that 50% of people are dumber than that?

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      We don’t have that on lock, dipshit. Look around you, the entire world is fucking up royally. We just happen to be one of the biggest shitshows going.

      The fact that you treat Americans like a monolith shows that you’re dumb as fuck too.

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        Yeah, I dunno broseph. Lots of other first world countries have things like universal healthcare, paternity leave, significant and mandatory vacation, longer lifespans, generally higher quality of life and happiness, politics that aren’t straight up clown shows, more human rights.

        You’ve successfully nailed an obvious generalization that there are stupid people everywhere, but the point is that stupidity is hyper-concentrated in the good ol’ US of A. As is evident.

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          Who TF is talking g about Healthcare? I love how so many people keep hitting that. MOST OF US KNOW YOU STUPID TWAT. However, millions and millions of us donating money, fighting, and marching can’t fight against the RICHEST MAN ON THE PLANET.

          He’s coming for your country too. Can’t wait.

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      This is by design. Decades of eroding education and critical thinking have produced a populace that is highly ignorant and extremely easy to manipulate.

      There is a reason why attacking education is the first thing any right-wing government does.

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        Doesn’t help that a whole lot of idiots also think it’s somehow very clever of them to “rise above” it all by acting like it’s “both sides”. This is what passes (for a special kind of smug idiot) for political acumen.

        Of course, the “liberal media” harps on the “both sides” thing all the freaking time. Which is why I find it mighty curious that a lot of supposed “leftists” take up that mantra, too.

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          *Rightists.

          Right wingers are the only people I hear the “both sides” mantra from. I don’t know what media you’re consuming, but you got it ass backwards.

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            The bullshit “liberal media” does the “both sides” thing all the freaking time.

            And I’m talking about an awful lot of supposed leftists on places like Lemmy that do things like “but Biden’s economy was actually BAD!” and so on. I could go on for other examples…now, whether I believe most of them are actual leftists, I dunno…

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              The thing I hear occasionally and that I actually agree with is that from an outsiders’ perspective, the US has a right wing party and a far-right party.

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        Amongst wealthy countries, the US scores above average in science and reading comprehension, and are only really showing lag in mathematics. In terms of critical thinking, this has been a baked-in element of the curriculum, that was intentionally baked-in, for a long time now. Most countries are this way, and those that have dedicated time to specifically critical thinking, as its own subject, are relatively new, and not many do it, in primary education, yet. So this means the US is not unique in how poorly students are taught critical thinking, amongst countries with similar levels of resources.

        Also, baby boomers demonstrated a lower level of critical thinking skills, than kids do today, they also show sharper cognitive decline, earlier in life, than X, and millennials have been. So is it that the conservatives have been trying to disassemble the public school system, to move funds to privatized education, thus eroding the common access to education? If so, why does the US actually score well compared to its peers? Why is it that the oldest common generation is actually the worst of the common generations, still alive, for things like critical thinking, and cognitive decline?

        So there is some other factor(s) that make the US seem to stand out on this issue, amongst peers. Could it be US media specifically empowering the voice of morons, because outrage drives viewership, and profit is the only goal to US news/media companies? Is it that the elites within the conservative party have redesigned their entire party structure, and playbook, to empower morons, because morons vote for them more often than not? Is it a combination of these factors, and others, that have been shaping the US in this fashion? Could this be why we have been seeing greater, and greater, pushes from political influence groups, in other countries, that have ties to US wealth? Things like dismantling the NHS, establishing US style media as the dominant party in places like europe (murdoch family owned outlets getting larger pieces of the pie, and pushing sentiment to dismantle not for profit sources, like the BBC, and NPR/PBS, for example), far right parties, trump cocksuckers, putin cocksuckers, etc. have been on the rise for past ten plus years? Could it also be that people are growing increasingly disaffected with capitalism, and there are a lot of people lashing out, lacking understanding of what is causing life to be more difficult, and reaching out, in desperation, to anyone who sounds different from those who got us here, even if it should be obvious those people would likely make these specific issues worse? Is it that these things are also compounded with a growing desire, amongst the growing disproportionately wealthy set, to push all the bad aspects of societal structure, to hasten its collapse, and then swoop in to take over directly?

        IMHO it is all of the factors in the previous paragraph, and others I haven’t bothered to bring up, and not so much the education system, at least not yet. Sorry for the word vomiting in this post.

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            Yes the lead is one of the many issues i didn’t get into, it is on the decline though. However, microplastics is the new lead. We know it affects the endocrine system, as of yet, though, we do not know how, or what the effects will be. Point being, blaming this behavior on education isn’t shooting at the right target, and there are so many targets.

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        Indeed, add in all the religious meddling in educational curriculum and you’ve got a recipie for an ignorant population.

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    Oh no! I guess they’ll have to get their cheap Chinese knock-off crap from Good American Sources.

    Seriously though, even if the tariffs were reduced pre-loony-President levels tomorrow, no-one’s gonna trust that being permanent.

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      Actually with this really cheap Chinese stuff it will often still be cheaper than another source.

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    I wish I was in a place were I had no idea what was going on. I’m just twitching when I think about Republicans sending people to concentration camps with out charges or trial. That just means everyone is just sheep to be plucked. We are now just living on luck.

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      No aggro. I’m lost. Is that hyperbole or actually happening? From what I’ve seen so far they’re just:

      • deporting immigrants without ID and asking them to re-enter the country when they have the proper papers.

      • sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.

      • making immature/rash economic policies as collateral for speeding up foreign affairs.

      • the officials who are being deposed/suspended were being irresponsible, and not doing the job/role they’re paid by the public to perform.

      • for DOGE (probably out of context, but I’ll still say), they’re just digitizing processes of record keeping in governance. They had issues starting out because they where recklessly trying to map out the system by pulling random plugs and flicking switches to see what they were working with. I’d expect that when they finish, they’d add redundancies so whoever maintains the system after them has the divide of testing and production servers.

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    145% isn’t even accurate because that’s just on the cost of the good. You then have to figure in retailer margin, seller margin etc. Most MSRPs will be 300% of what they were to keep those the same as before.

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      Not really. If they keep the same % based on what it costs them, then it should increase by the same amount.

      If they instead get the same amount (which would effectively mean reduce their margins) the final cost would be a bit less.

      Happy to be corrected with some numerical example.

      So if you see any price increase greater than the tariff amount, it’s plain corporate greed.

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        BS If an item costs an extra $100 to put on a shelf, the retailer will still want to cover the costs of obtaining and spending that $100. No-one is going to use funds commercially, for free. WTF do you think retailers will be good keeping the same profit, numerically, whilst spending 145% more for it?

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          I always wonder what compels some people to make so little effort to understand what they are replying to, but make so much effort in proving they have no idea what they are replying to. Can you explain?

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        Less if anything.

        You buy something from China for $100. Add packing, staff costs and delivery and you sell it retail for say $200. A nice healthy profit margin.

        Now you add the 145%, so it costs $245 from China. None of the rest of it will cost you more. Still an extra $100, for $345 total.

        The retail customer pays an extra (345/200=) 72.5% instead.

        It’s a lot, but not 145%.

        So if your retail price goes up by 145% or more, they either weren’t making a lot of profit before, or they’re greedy bastards.

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          At the border you pay tariffs on all the costs up to that point, because they are all considered to be part of the value of the shipment as it crosses the border. So the price of good, plus the price of packaging (as far as it was packaged in China), plus the price of the freight shipping are tariffed together, which makes the result of the calculation a little worse, but fundamentally you’re right.

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            It depends on if it is something like a powder that comes raw in a 200 lb jar and you package it yourself into small containers.

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              Yes, then you only pay tariff for the powder, for the big jar, and the transpacific shipping of the big jar. That’s what I meant by “as far as it was packaged in China”.

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          Given the effect on the climate due to pollution, even rain or lack of can be explained by corporate greed

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    A Lemmy post about an article about a Reddit post. The internet feels more and more incestuous every day.

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    Yes. They missed the part where they specifically and repeatedly said they were going to do this. Because American voters evidently have the cognitive skills of a fucking sea sponge.

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      My sister voted for Trump, only learned after the fact, because of “the inflation” so I asked her how she tough the tariffs would help on that. Her answer? “What do you mean, what are tariffs?” A little too late I send her a youtube video about Tariffs and Trump and she was like wtf. She lives in California, so it’s not like she helped him win, but I’m going to keep a tab on her before elections.

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        This is what the democratic party has to learn. Your sister is a sizable representation of the electorate. They have no goddamn idea how anything works. They voted purely based on vibes. You have to capture the terminally unengaged and uninformed voters if you want to be able to stay in power.

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          Yup.

          In America you have to lie, or at the very least dangle shiny things in front of idiots, to win an election.

          Sucks, but it’s the truth. Talking about actually policy is out of most fool’s wheelhouses. Gotta appeal to their simple feelings.

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        Ah, because of the famous inflation dial in the US president’s office which Biden kept cranked up for shits and giggles. Well known fact.

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          The inflation which was most likely due to Trump’s bungled handling of COVID…

          The attention span of the average voter is short than that of a goldfish.

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        She sounds like a single issue voter.

        Thats really the biggest problem. People not looking at the whole candidate.

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        its low information voters that mostly voted for him besides the incels/joe roegan people.

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      Because American Trump voters evidently have the cognitive skills of a fucking sea sponge.

      FTFU.

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    One mistake Temu is making is showing it as “Import fees”. That’s correct of course, but they should label it specifically as “Import tariffs” or “Tariffs”, so that it’s clear what this is. From the comments in the linked reddit threads, a lot of people just think they’re extra fees Temu is voluntarily putting on as retaliation, their brains still aren’t making the link between “import fees” and “trump’s tariffs on China”.