If MAGAts were going to change, they would have. They are only “feeling bad” because something King Dipshit has done is affecting them now.
They will continue to vote for republikkkans and continue to drag our society backwards or at least be a stone around the neck of progress.
Do not trust or forgive. If they want to do some good now, ofc let them, but don’t be fooled. They’ve shown who they really are.
Anyone who is catastrophically stupid enough to be swayed by someone like Trump is not a potential ally. They are, at best, a liability.
lol. This author has never been on lib lemmy. The “resistance” is mostly just leopard jokes. Not much to offer victims…
The only politeness and welcoming behaviour a 2024 Trump voter will get form me or anyone I know is a false welcoming to the resistance before being snuck out back and shot like the Nazis they are
They’ve had 10 years to not be Nazis, they don’t get another chance
You could have easily been one of them. Being lucky enough to not get duped does not make you a better person. It makes you lucky.
What resistance, the Democrats?
Liberals keep trying to do this. The Nazis will join you temporarily and then turn around and vote for the very next Trump. It is an extremely small minority that actually changes their views, and they are welcome.
And how do you get the Nazis to even consider joining you?
Appealing to them.
Do we need the Democratic Party sliding further to the right?
No.
This thinking is a result of thinking that there is a simple political spectrum. There isn’t… Most voters are far too simple minded for voting that way. They vote for the other party when they are unhappy. That’s it. That’s all the decision making they need. They voted for Trump in 16 because they didn’t like the status quo (What simple working person is happy with the rich getting richer and the rest of us getting nothing but rising housing costs?). They voted for Biden in 20 because he wasn’t Trump and Trump really fucked up his time in the white house. Then they voted for Trump again because Biden didn’t change things.
The Democratic party can appeal to a lot more voters by abandoning a status quo that no longer serves the masses. There is a reason there were people who voted for Trump and AOC on the same ballot. They are people who are upset by the status quo and want change, even if that change is burning it all down and starting over.
We should give them change, because if we don’t, they will vote for change from the fascists.
There are too many of them for us to kill them all. We simply can’t kill 1/3 of the country… We have to find a way to build a society with most of the people who voted for Trump still being in it.
Now, for the ultramaga, proud boy types… I don’t hold back on solutions to the problems presented by that smaller population.
Try to think practically instead of just with emotion.
Do you think the Democratic Party is in need of pushing further and further right?
The resistance: “Here’s a cupcake, we’ll never talk about abortion or minorities again. Heil Hitler”
While I hear you, and there are definitely some voters that will never, ever, ever change their mind - I encourage you to direct this energy toward the elected ones who continue to lie to their base and capitulate to the billionaires/Russia/etc.
They’re included in that, they’re just not the subject of the thread
I misunderstood the thread then. The original post didn’t have the edit it does now.
Mutual Aid relies on mutual security. Investigate someone’s language and demeanor before including them in praxis.
I completely agree.
Some of us out here are truly harm reductive and are sewing faces back on. We all need to band together before the leapords start coming for our throats.
I’m really really sorry, now that the leopards are eating my face…
Being cordial with them is fine, working with them to protest right now is fine.
But let’s not forget that they are at best temporary allies. That don’t actually share any values, they’re just upset that the administration isn’t hurting the right people.
There will be a scant few that truly not vote for a Republican and that’s about the best you can expect, be prepared that they continue to vote hard R in the end.
They’re the “independents”… they’ll vote for whoever comes along and tells them what they want to hear and they’ll not investigate further.
This is why Bernie got so close. Trump’s messaging is cathartic for them. “We’re gonna get the guys who did this to you!” Trump yells, standing behind the guys that did this to them.
Bernie’s messaging was “Shit has been bad for a long time. Let’s fix it. Tell me your problem and we’ll work something out. The rich fucked you over. We’re gonna make them oay taxes.”
Dems if they want to stay one party, need to find that messaging again. Hell Dwight D Eisenhower could get elected as a dem these days.
Shit’s fucked.
Disagree if you want, but I’ve felt this way and have been saying some variation of this (but perhaps not as eloquently) pretty much since November of 2024.
Granted, in the immediate wake of the election, even I didn’t think things would be this way, at least not so soon. As soon as he took office, anybody with half a brain cell could see, first-hand sans conjecture, just how much of a disaster we were in for. I was like, at this stage, we’re going to have to root for the hamberders to do their thing and in the mean time we’re going to have to turn the other cheek and accept those Trump voters who come to regret their vote. If there are enough of them, and they genuinely see an apology as a path out of the cult, there’s a better chance of turning things around.
Shouldn’t be turning people away that are apologetic, but don’t think the path to victory lies there. All the people that are sitting out elections are the ones that should be targeted. So few of eligible voters are actually doing so.
I keep talking to people who didn’t vote and they keep saying it’s because neither candidate represents their interests.
Maybe we should be ‘targeting’ the establishment simps that keep nominating establishment candidates?
Trump only won because Bernie lost, for example. How come we don’t blame the people who nominated hillary clinton?
Appologetic is the key word. There needs to be accountability, not even for a sake of justice or anything, but just due to the fact that they need to have learned a lesson to be an ally of the cause, and not just an eventual traitor.
A University of Massachusetts-Amherst poll of 1,000 people from early April found that just 2% of Trump voters say they regret their choice and wish they had voted differently.
Jesus Christ…
The reality is that a person in a cult leaves it quietly. At the start of the process, they have doubts and fears but repeat the mantras about how they’re still absolutely a member of the cult.
And we’re seeing that. We’re seeing people upset about what’s happening, yet claiming they still support him. That’s what a person leaving a cult actually looks like – doubt, self-assurance, and then quietly quesstioning it whilst acting to their peers that they’re still believers. They’re not necessarily aware that this is the beginning of them leaving, many want their leader to reassure them of those doubts, and get slowly unsettled when they don’t.
If you ask them point-blank if they renounce their faith, they’re not willing to admit it publicly. That’s too real. They’ll just slowly fade away, and try to live like it didn’t happen.
I hope you’re right… However, history has shown that these people vote and they always vote R, no matter how awful the party is. It seems really hard to get them out of that habit.
And most of them would rather die before voting for someone with a “D” next to their name.
It’s a cult. I’m not surprised.
Just wait for the store shelves to empty this month. That number will go up.
I wonder if that 2% was because they were directly impacted by him. Additionally, I assume most haven’t changed their minds because they came in knowing that there would be hard times ahead.
With that said, I live in a very r area and have been keeping tabs on the flags. My grocery store started selling us flags last month and now there are new houses with flags. They didn’t have them up at all before.
I think there’s a difference between someone who voted trump and realized they fucked up in a like deep , systemic, way, and someone who doesn’t like this specific implemention of right wing stuff.
Like, if they regret trump but keep voting R, that’s not good.
Yet another reason y’all really shouldn’t go doxxing and murdering working class voters: missing the Purple Wave.
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That’s fantastic. This encourages taking personal responsibility over their action. I think it’s important to allow people to learn and grow, without the shame. Shame keeps people locked into their false beliefs. The more apologetics we have, the faster change will come. With that said, don’t forget these people. They still have fucked up beleifs.
Fucked up beliefs that are rooted in fear of losing what little they have. The class war affects them as much as us, and the more people who realize it, the more well equipped for revolution they’ll be
I agree.
I feel that on our end, it’s going to be more important than ever that it’s not just what we say but how we say it that will actually change how those who voted for Trump will feel.
People are capable of self reflection, but if you don’t believe it then you’re helping them to have no shot at it.I have learned that people tend fulfill my expectations of them, so if i want them to do better i have to genuinely expect better of them and treat them with utmost compassion when they miss the mark
At this point, if you voted for Trump and you regret it, keep that shit to yourself. I would rather not know.
Yall maybe forgiving but not i any and all Trump voters are traitors. Because you cannot stand there and listen to this man commit sedition
Say shit like “i have a concept of a plan”
And still slap knee “gosh darn it that is the man I must vote for president what a patriot!”
Fuck that. Cowards all of them. Every single one in gov. And every single voter.
Remember the women who slept with Nazis and after the war? That’s Trump supporters.
Just don’t say you used to support the guy and do your part to try to get him legally out of the whitehouse along with his admin buddies.
