That was the very first thing I thought of. For the unaware, promissory estoppel is when party A is damaged by party B promising something, then later rescinding it. It is something you can file a lawsuit over.

For instance, maybe someone says “I’ll buy you a brand new Maserati if you drive your current car off a bridge.” You know they can afford the car, and a reasonable person would believe this promise. So you shake on it, and proceed to dump your car over the side of the bridge. Then that person laughs and goes “yeah, I changed my mind. I’m not buying you a Maserati.” Now you have been damaged because of an action you took due to their promise. You can sue them, to force them to fulfill their side of the promise, or at least to make you whole again.

In the screenshot’s case, it sounds like he made some major financial investments in this job. He moved to a new location, turned down other job offers, etc… He could sue PayPal to force them to repay the costs that he incurred as a result of their rescinded job offer.

The only reason employers still do shit like this is because individuals either don’t realize that they can sue for it, or don’t realize that lawyers will take their case.

Not a lawyer, but the usual explanation is that these contracts are “at will” and the contract includes language indicating it can be terminated by either party for any reason at any time.

Again, not a lawyer and I agree this is terrible behavior. However, this is why some people say you should never give notice until you’ve literally started your new job.

I got unemployment in California in a very similar scenario, pretty sure they explicitly state something like this is a valid reason somewhere on that hellhole of a website

Idk about other places in this dumpster fire of a nation, but silicone valley is here, so maybe?

Honestly I’ve lined most of my jobs up where theres slight over lap and all of I’ve been able to get out of my last few days early and atleast be covered for 2-4 weeks because ill still be get my paycheck from my previous job as im starting the new one.

Ive been doing this for 9 years and been at 4 different companies.

Seems wild to me to just quit a few weeks about and leave the gap but im also a financially the traumatized millennial.

And even if you do start the new job, most jobs have a probationary period around ninety days where they can just let you go for no reason at all.

Seems an argument for “over employment”, or at least taking a leave from current job to work second.

I mean, we live in a hellscape. Even if they had given him a start date, they can still fire him at any point for no reason. Labor has almost no protections (in the US, at least). It would be only slightly less bad to accept the new job, take it, quit the old job, and then get fired.

I’d rather we have like basic income, free health care, and public housing, so people don’t need to worry about dying because some capitalist is willing to hire them.

Theil holds Vance’s leash, tightly. If Vance becomes president, Theil becomes president.

You’re more likely to have his products used against you, by your government and the corporations that rule you.

As evidenced by his preposterously plagiarized company naming schemes that obnoxiously demonstrate to the world how profoundly he missed the point of Lord of the Rings, by going team Mordor and thinking he’s the hero. . .

When above all else, he desires power.

No, this is on you guys for not having laws or unions. If a company pulls this shit off here they get to may multiple months of paychecks in damages because they had signed the contract. And even still they cant just lay somebody off like that.

Welcome to modern society :')

Is that different from signing the offer?

Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are “at will” meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you’d be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.

Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).

Not everybody has all the information to know whether a company is known for this kind of shit. I’ve heard a lot of stories about PayPal screwing over sellers in particular by freezing their funds for no justified reason, but I can see people falling for the “they must have been doing something bad they aren’t admitting” you always see in response to anyone complaining about some authority imposing arbitrary punishments on them.

My personal gripe with PayPal is, I was once relying on income from sales through them, and had withdrawn money to my bank that I needed to pay my rent. A customer filed a spurious dispute (later resolved in my favor) on a sale that was only a tiny portion of that, and their response was to immediately reverse the whole completed bank transfer. So I almost missed paying rent and had to scramble to figure it out at the last minute.

Anyway, fuck PayPal, sympathy to all their victims.

This is a shit response that’s devoid of empathy and common decency. You’re literally blaming the victim.

You’re shit.

I mean, the dude used to be at Binance. This isn’t someone making good decisions.

What employment contract? Those are rare in the US.

Lol here in the US there are no such protections. You have to fend for yourself.

Can’t say for certain because I’ve never used it, but I’ve heard of a concept called promissory estoppel that might apply in situations like this.

The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You’ll find something better (if you haven’t already).

That’s deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?