She gave 10 mill to Beyoncé for an awkward rally and ignored a union to do so telling everyone she was a bad bitch. She is cooked and I’m so angry at the Dems for throwing away what should have been a landslide to please the rich idk how I feel about supporting those fools anymore. It’s just we’re in a first past the post party system which is easy to manipulate, may as well have managed democracy instead of anything good.
DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
In a way yeah. When you shit on the most pro working class Dems actively and don’t deliver on key promises wtf do they expect? The hypocrisy is too obvious to defend with descending into a cult mentality like maga.
DNC has repeatedly refused to listen to the demands on their voters, too, and actively sabotaged candidates the people want to try and force HRC and Harris down our throats… to a massive collective tanking that had nothing to do with their gender, and opening the door to the usurpation of America to foreign powers and money.
In FPTP, you don’t have much choice but to vote against what you don’t want, but I would argue that it’s still important to vote, so long as that isn’t all that you do.
I’m also living under FPTP, and voted “third party” because I believe a plurality of choices is beneficial, even though our conservative party was scary close to winning… but that’s just how it’ll always end up under FPTP: the right end will get more and more ghoulish until the centrist party is the safest vote in opposition. Together, they both suck up all the votes into the neoliberal duopoly, where neither side meaningfully challenges the underlying conditions that make life worse for increasingly large sections of people.
Anyway, of arguably greater impact than voting is actually figuring out who represents you, and letting them know what’s important to you. Canvassing for candidates who you actually do support. That sort of thing.
Sorry about the little rant. I’m sure you’re aware of this dynamic. I just felt compelled.
My state tried to implement it but the way the reps wrote it was so anti democratic in the fine print I voted against it. Idk if democracy is possible with reps, only tyranny and military.
In other news, waterologists broadly agree water is wet.
Corporate democrats #1 policy: protect the 1% at all costs
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
The majority of voters didn’t vote, and the division between republican and democratic votes was less than half a percent, if I remember correctly.
Most are just sick of the system that’s oppressing us and are conflicted on how to fix it, or just don’t know enough to have an opinion.
~64% of eligible voters did so. So technically, the majority did vote, but damn that seems like a weak turnout given the stakes at hand.
That majority of non voters is the second leading reason Trump was elected. Them not voting is only marginally better than voting for a fascist and they don’t get a pass because the system is flawed. Millions of other people got out and did it, and while I know there is interference for a lot of people, it’s not for the majority. Silence is complacency, and the vast majority of those non voters fall squarely in that category.
So the vast majority decided to vote for Trump and not vote against Trump, and that’s an unfortunate fact that American as a whole has gone all in on fascism, and it’s not even debatable if that’s what the country wanted.
Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.
Politicians can’t be blamed when they fail their job of earning and swaying voters, its the voter’s fault for not being interested in a lack of meaningful change. That’s the Democrat way.
Ah yes, because in a binary choice outcome, you decide to take the greater poison not only in terms of genocide (which yes, a genocide can always get worse), but also worsening a genocide by Russia in Ukraine, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Healthcare, and LGBTQ+ rights.
That sure makes sense… I think they call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.
Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.
Honestly, is there any election you can think of where there was an alternative on the ballot who was better than the blue though? I genuinely can’t think of a time.
this
Proper headline:
“Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”
If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.
I have an irrational fear of heights. That said, I’d rather go skydiving than a lot of other things involving heights because if it goes poorly, I’ll likely have instant death. Your framing of the issue gives me odd comfort. Thanks.
The thing is that Trump isn’t a fast death. It’s not like in 3 more years we’ll all just be gone pain free. Most of us will have to keep going in whatever hellscape these Nazis bring upon us, which as shitty as the DNC and most Democrats are, that hellscape would probably be more tolerable.
It’s more like skydiving into a hot desert without resources with Democrats, and skydiving into a desert full of racist cacti without resources with Republicans. You’ll likely survive the landing, but you have to earn everything yourself to survive and in one situation, racist cacti are inflicting pain, especially if you’re not white.
Yep! You know the vast majority of people with this mindset are so privileged they think “it won’t be that bad for me” but many of us, women, POC, our lgbtq community all understand that we actually have very very much to lose because we don’t take what we have for granted the way privileged (white men) people do.
The poison is not medicine and a lot of people are going to genuinely suffer, their is no “fast death” coming for anyone
can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
Yes.
One option has opportunity, the other is… This horseshit.
Yes, I will absolutely blame any accelerationist, every time.
I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the “fast death by Trump” is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I’d much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren’t actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.
Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
They even tried going after minorities, it was fucking appalling.
What does this comment mean?
Trying to say giving any attention to these issues is why they lost, despite the fact that these were barely topics bought up by Kamala or Biden or any political figure.
tl;dr: Transcapegoating.
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”
Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.
Weren’t they the ones touting their ‘largest warchest ever’ sometime around Harris taking up the mantle last year?
They were. Where’s that money now?
In the pockets of consultants
The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.
This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.
She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.
Gotta love how they got rich by losing, and the American people are poorer than ever with Trump’s victory…
This in particular pissed me off. Soon as the news broke, here’s me:
“Are you fucking kidding me?! You make the rich celebrities pay YOU, not the other way around. If they have to be paid to endorse you, then they aren’t fucking endorsing you. They’re making their down payment on bribery!”
Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.
Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.
I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.
Not at all, I’m saying the alternatives to not dismantling FPTP to enable new parties are worse. As in, we have got to get rid of it and elect an actual populist on the left, or the Dems and Repugs will bring about the end of the American empire through unbridled greed.
as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it’s the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I’m kind of stuck here.
I’d bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
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I’m fully convinced they slow rolled the Trump prosecution so that they could use him to fundraise. I’m half convinced they slow rolled it because they were going to just let it slide if it was clear Trump was going to stay out of politics, because the ghoul club looks out for each other behind the scenes.
And yeah, there’s an actual laundry list of places where they fucked up hard on this last election. A non-exhaustive list includes:
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Lying about Biden’s condition/ not pushing him to step aside because the establishment democrats considers seniority to be the holiest of all political attributes. It’s why they were SO pissed that Obama cut Hillary off and they went on about “it’s her turn!” in '16. Tbh, it’s probably just as much a part of why they shut Sanders out in '16 as him being progressive. Anyway, this meant that we had basically a sham primary. Yes, it was a real primary, but we all know the incumbent always wins the primary, and they lied over and over about his condition until that shit was over with. So, no, I don’t think you can really say it was a fair election, because voters were deliberately deceived by their own party.
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Colluding to get Biden put in. I know someone’s going to come and tell me that the '20 primary was 100% legit and totally not sketchy at all, but I’ll never forget Biden showing up to those debates looking like a freshly reanimated corpse and, all of the sudden, he wins South Carolina (which I do consider legitimate) and all the other candidates start dropping out and giving their delegates to him (which I consider illegitimate because it really smelled coordinated and allowing candidates to pledge their delegates forward is sketchy AF). To me, this is the original sin here. Biden wasn’t a god awful president, but they knew he wasn’t the best candidate they could possibly run, they knew his history, and I will never ever be convinced that they picked Kamala because she was the right person for the job. They picked Kamala because she landed some absolute body shots on Biden about racism in the primary debates, and they needed to clean that radioactive spill up. I think they felt that the most expedient means of doing so was for Joe to get Kamala. I don’t think for two seconds that Kamala was Joe’s choice. This wouldn’t have been all bad if they’d committed to working on polishing Kamala up and getting her out there in the public eye and grooming her as a viable independent candidate a la Gore, but they didn’t. They kinda just shoved her into the broom closet after Biden won and only dug her out after he blew his legs own off on the debate stage. So, that stupid fucking maneuver to shut Sanders out in '20 gave us a president that not many people were excited about; a VP that neither the president, nor the DNC, not the people liked who would go on to be his natural successor on the campaign trail; all while ensuring that said VP had no distinct political image, and even, due to the righteous trait of seniority, forcing Kamala to assure voters that she absolutely adored Biden’s unpopular policies.
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The DNC didn’t even trust their own candidates. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Kamala is God awful; I wouldn’t have picked her, but she had enough good qualities to work with to stand on her own if they’d trusted her. This is especially true with Walz on her team; they had some real potential if the DNC had got the fuck out of the way and stopped focus grouping them to death. Instead, they picked Kamala and played up what little leftist cred she had and then foisted HRC’s campaign staff on her, made her talk about limited means-tested small business aid, and got celebrities to make guest appearances. They got Walz for his incredible shit talking abilities, then muzzled him. They saw the campaign starting to make its own identity separate from Biden and screamed “NO, YOU’LL DISHONOR OUR SPECIAL BOY. HE WON’T KNOW, BUT WE WILL!” They saw the populist moment, the people crying out for change, and went “hey, shut up, offer them means tested tax assistance”.
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They abandoned their strategy of talking about what a dangerous fascist Trump was after that kid in Pennsylvania nearly started a GoFundMe for Trump’s family. Trump didn’t stop being a dangerous fascist, but the appearance of decency was more important than speaking the truth. If Trump didn’t want to get his goddamn brains blown out, maybe don’t go having fascist rallies in open fields. But it gave the perception that they didn’t really believe that he was a dangerous fascist, that they were just saying it until they realized it was dangerous to say it. This was a huge mistake, imo.
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Bravo! Thank you for saying this, and so well.
I agree, and so does Pelosi
The Dems are a fundraising organization, nothing more, and they love using Trump to do it.
I wonder if she ever went on to have a moment of self reflection there. I doubt it, but I do wonder.
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It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests.
When you get paid to do what you’re told to do, that’s your job.
They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they were paid to delay Trump. They weren’t paid to bring reforms, they were paid so “nothing will fundementally change”. They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they’re being paid right now to vote yes on Trump’s wishes.
Not to mention their perpetual blackballing of anyone actually progressive in the party. The neoliberal arm of the DNC has done nearly as much damage to this country as the Republicans have.
For sure. I really do wish someday we will have a serious progressive movement in this country in my lifetime. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT THOUGH!
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
This guy’s videos are one of the few things on youtube (other than music videos) I’ll watch sometimes.
In 2029 there will be a headline exactly like this one, the only variables are wether Bernie and elections will still be around.
I blame on dnc. They should not exist. We already have republican party if we need to vote for a party that works for billionaires. Unless AOC or Bernie, this country is doomed.
Democrats got paid to lose plain and simple
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Totally going to codify Roe, legalize weed, and give you healthcare access on day 1 - just need 69 more donations of $25 by midnight tonight!
If I got a dollar for every time I got a donation message about how this time they’ll follow up on promises from a decade ago, I’d probably have enough to lobby for it to happen.
No matter how many times i respond “Stop” they always try again sooner or later. It’s completely ineffective now though, all I’m reminded of when i receive any of those messages is that they are lying to get money. Plain and simple.
She is a black women : Minus 500 Points for Gryfindor.
She walks in in a businessdress and looks as intimidating as the mortage lady from the bank: Minus 600 Points for Gryfindor
Her Party is made up from literal Fossils that won’t give up power, even past 80, won’t stop Making money from what seems like Stocktrading on privileged information: Minus 50 Points for Gryfindor.
She is as charismatic as Porridge: Minus 100 Points for Gryfindor.
Seriously fuck the bitch ass american racists and the democratic party that can’t find a good candidate when so much is on the line.
Nobody is willing to say it, but I really think she lost because she’s a woman.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
I see a lot of these postmortems and I don’t know what combination of them is the actual truth, but I wasn’t the slightest bit surprised when she lost. As soon as she got the nomination I thought it was likely.
For what it’s worth, here is my take on her as one Californian that’s had to deal with her since before 2010 when she ran for attorney general:
- Even before she ran for attorney general, I was constantly hearing about all kinds of awful stuff the SF district attorney’s office was doing under her leadership even though I’m not from SF county.
- I was very disappointed when she got the nomination for attorney general because I didn’t want her policies applied statewide. I voted against her in the primary but of course I held my nose and voted for her over the R in the general.
- I don’t recall who I voted for in the 2016 primary for Senate but it wasn’t her, or blue dog Sanchez. I think I barely tilted toward Sanchez in the general but I honestly can’t remember. I was so disappointed in those choices that I didn’t really give a shit. I thought we could do better in California than two conserva-dems, especially with the top-2 primary system.
- Never even considered voting for that cop in a presidential primary.
- Didn’t like that she was the bottom of the ticket in 2020 especially considering Biden’s age, but the alternative was clear.
- Of course, due to the alternative I voted for her in 2024 but without one iota of enthusiasm. I think I may have been more enthused to vote for John fucking Kerry, but that was a long time ago, it’s hard to remember my feelings for a block of wood.
A small silver lining to her losing is I’ll never have to hold my nose and vote for her ever again.
She lost because she just sucks. Whether an individual’s reason for thinking she sucks and not being excited about her was based on misogyny, racism, her record of public service, her policy goals, or her personality doesn’t matter. I didn’t know anybody excited to vote for her. I knew some people excited to vote for a WOC, but not her as a person. A little enthusiasm was what was needed to turn the tide in the three states that mattered this time.
As soon as Biden dropped out too late for an actual primary, we already lost.
LMAO drop the act, you and all Dems know that if they run her again you WILL VOTE for her, no matter what
Until the Dem party tells you to vote someone else
I would vote for even your overused waifu themed cumsock over any MAGA candidate, so yes. Yes I would.
I’m with the DNC on this one. Bernie is just talking crazy. Americans dont care about money.
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