In the mind of the USAian liberal, this is also because of Russia. Things used to be great, but now they’re bad because the foreigners are controlling the president.
In the minds of anyone with a passing understanding of Russian foreign policy can absolutely see they have their hooks in Trump and you would have to have a significant deficit in logical thinking skills to believe otherwise. That being said that only accounts for some of the war, violence, and agitation the USA is involved in.
??? No different than Russia? HAVE YOU READ THE HISTORY OF THE U.S.? THERE ISN’T EVEN A SIDE OF COMPARISON RUSSIA LOOKS LIKE THE LAND OF PEACE COMPARED TO THE U.S.
I suggest you read “Endless Holocausts: Mass Death in the History of the United States Empire”
From 1917to 1922 between 7-12 million Russians, mostly civilians, were killed. This includes hundreds of thousands of Jews killed in pogroms (genocidal race riots). The Red Terror involved Bolsheviks conducting executions to wipeout political dissent and any threats to their power. The White Terror involved a collection of conservatives, monarchists, and proto-fascists executing communists and genociding Jews. This doesn’t count people who died in forced labor camps, which by some accounts saw a 10-20% fatality rate per month. There were mass rapes and looting wherever the several armies went. It’s been described to be as close to Hell on Earth as it gets. Between WWI and the Russian Civil War, the total population fell from around 170 million to 134 million.
I don’t think that’s being disputed. Both the USA and Russia had incredibly violent labor histories in the late 1800s and 1900s. The main difference is that in Russia, the workers+peasants organized and won, and in the US, they lost.
Either way this both-sidesing of violence makes no sense. You might as well demonize every just cause in history, or every person that defends themselves from an aggressor with that outlook.
[Video] LA cops force their horses to run over protester
If anything, it’s US cops learning from the cossacks, whom tsar always send against people when police was not enough. Running over unarmed people with horses was their favourite tactics.
What have y’all been saying? World will never know because my comment had to be removed under ‘Rule 1’. What is rule 1? No fucking clue because this community does not have any listed rules. Nor did I get notified at all because Lemmy.ml seems to refuse any sort of basic common courtesy.
I keep forgetting just how redditor the administration/moderation of lemmy.ml is. Had no idea I was on a lemmy.ml community. If I knew that I never would have posted shit here in the first place.
Go ahead and ban me. Y’all already did a couple years ago and had to reverse course when users started openly questioning where all the content went. By all means. Go for it. Y’all can miss my content but I sure as shit won’t miss you admins.
The United States is no different than Russia. If anything, y’all are worse.
Oh fuck right off with that bullshit.
That’s true, the USA is even more disruptive currently.
In the mind of the USAian liberal, this is also because of Russia. Things used to be great, but now they’re bad because the foreigners are controlling the president.
In the minds of anyone with a passing understanding of Russian foreign policy can absolutely see they have their hooks in Trump and you would have to have a significant deficit in logical thinking skills to believe otherwise. That being said that only accounts for some of the war, violence, and agitation the USA is involved in.
??? No different than Russia? HAVE YOU READ THE HISTORY OF THE U.S.? THERE ISN’T EVEN A SIDE OF COMPARISON RUSSIA LOOKS LIKE THE LAND OF PEACE COMPARED TO THE U.S.
I suggest you read “Endless Holocausts: Mass Death in the History of the United States Empire”
Try reading about the Russian Civil War some time.
average .world user, how is the Russian civil war worse than anything the U.S. did?
From 1917to 1922 between 7-12 million Russians, mostly civilians, were killed. This includes hundreds of thousands of Jews killed in pogroms (genocidal race riots). The Red Terror involved Bolsheviks conducting executions to wipeout political dissent and any threats to their power. The White Terror involved a collection of conservatives, monarchists, and proto-fascists executing communists and genociding Jews. This doesn’t count people who died in forced labor camps, which by some accounts saw a 10-20% fatality rate per month. There were mass rapes and looting wherever the several armies went. It’s been described to be as close to Hell on Earth as it gets. Between WWI and the Russian Civil War, the total population fell from around 170 million to 134 million.
Is your point that the people fighting against Tsarism shouldn’t have done so? That they should’ve continued to suffer without complaint?
Of course the monarchists and reactionaries are going to accuse their opponents of their own crimes, nothing surprising there.
My point is that saying Russia is a “Land of Peace” compared to the US is not historically accurate in the least.
I don’t think that’s being disputed. Both the USA and Russia had incredibly violent labor histories in the late 1800s and 1900s. The main difference is that in Russia, the workers+peasants organized and won, and in the US, they lost.
Either way this both-sidesing of violence makes no sense. You might as well demonize every just cause in history, or every person that defends themselves from an aggressor with that outlook.
Tell that to the other people arguing with me. You’re right about the rest though.
Citation?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Russia)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Using whole Wikipedia pages as citations is terminally lib brained. At least cite the specific wikipedia sources jfc.
Citing “pogrom” wikipedia like you’re trying to prove the concept of it exists is just the dingleberry on top of this shit cake.
asking for citations for one of the most important and well known events of the 20th century is lazy and obnoxious.
“Pogrom” was coined in Russia and became well known largely because of the Russian Civil War.
don’t bitch about my comments when you have put absolutely no effort into yours.
This is not comparable to the U.S. still
If that’s what you call a “Land of Peace”, I don’t think your opinion is worth much.
In comparison to the U.S.
Nothing comparably horrendous to the Russian Civil War has happened in the US.
If anything, it’s US cops learning from the cossacks, whom tsar always send against people when police was not enough. Running over unarmed people with horses was their favourite tactics.
Well you see they shot some monarchists and that’s equivalent to murdering tens of millions of brown people somehow.
https://lemmy.world/comment/17558559
Buddy I’m already on team “Fuck the Tsar”
A bloody Civil War to end monarchism is not equivalent to what the US gets up to on a regular basis for the sake of making capitalists richer.
The capitalists in Russia aren’t exactly sitting on their hands either. I’m on team “Fuck the Capitalists” no matter where they come from
What if fucking over those specific capitalists is a greater win for the capitalist class worldwide?
Whatever you say kiddo
yup, weve been saying this shit. and that isnt considering the fact they have been doing it to other countries as well for decades.
What have y’all been saying? World will never know because my comment had to be removed under ‘Rule 1’. What is rule 1? No fucking clue because this community does not have any listed rules. Nor did I get notified at all because Lemmy.ml seems to refuse any sort of basic common courtesy.
I keep forgetting just how redditor the administration/moderation of lemmy.ml is. Had no idea I was on a lemmy.ml community. If I knew that I never would have posted shit here in the first place.
Go ahead and ban me. Y’all already did a couple years ago and had to reverse course when users started openly questioning where all the content went. By all means. Go for it. Y’all can miss my content but I sure as shit won’t miss you admins.