I wont pretend to know much about South Africa or Palestine/Israel but my understanding is Palistine/Isreal are separate entities so if you were going to use civic disobedience to overcome the conflict you would have to convince the people of isreal.
That’s like saying that the only way to defeat Nazi Germany is to convince the Germans through civil disobedience, because “Germany and France are separate entities.”
Sorry, I thought you meant what you asked, “What does the destruction of the apartheid state look like” and not the entirely different question, “By what means can the destruction of the apartheid state be achieved?”
The effects of the end of apartheid South Africa are the same that we aim for with the end of Israel. Unfortunately, Israel appears to only understand the language of force, and so that is the most likely means of achieving those ends.
Edit: if you want the allies to storm isreal thats fine but as you might know, america isn’t the world police. Ill stick with that. Should they supply isreal with weapons, no, but make your case to liberals by telling them that they should allow the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.
You’re not a zionist? But literally in the same comment you say that the destruction of the apartheid state of Israel would necessarily mean “the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.” If you don’t support the existence of Israel, yet the only alternative to Israel’s existence is the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people, then logically that means yous support the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.
Seems kinda antisemitic if you ask me. Like, all I want is for Palestinians to have equal rights, if you want millions of Jews to die that’s on you.
Look at South Africa, for an example.
I wont pretend to know much about South Africa or Palestine/Israel but my understanding is Palistine/Isreal are separate entities so if you were going to use civic disobedience to overcome the conflict you would have to convince the people of isreal.
Which, sounds fine.
That’s like saying that the only way to defeat Nazi Germany is to convince the Germans through civil disobedience, because “Germany and France are separate entities.”
You’re the one who said south africa
Sorry, I thought you meant what you asked, “What does the destruction of the apartheid state look like” and not the entirely different question, “By what means can the destruction of the apartheid state be achieved?”
The effects of the end of apartheid South Africa are the same that we aim for with the end of Israel. Unfortunately, Israel appears to only understand the language of force, and so that is the most likely means of achieving those ends.
So how is “force” harm reduction?
The same way D-Day was harm reduction. This isn’t complicated lmao.
I know you’re not actually a pacifist since you’re a zionist, quit playing dumb.
Im not a zionist. Are you a jihadist?
Edit: if you want the allies to storm isreal thats fine but as you might know, america isn’t the world police. Ill stick with that. Should they supply isreal with weapons, no, but make your case to liberals by telling them that they should allow the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.
You’re not a zionist? But literally in the same comment you say that the destruction of the apartheid state of Israel would necessarily mean “the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.” If you don’t support the existence of Israel, yet the only alternative to Israel’s existence is the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people, then logically that means yous support the death/displacement of millions of Jewish people.
Seems kinda antisemitic if you ask me. Like, all I want is for Palestinians to have equal rights, if you want millions of Jews to die that’s on you.