I forgot about tinysnek. Is there a way to see his comics outside of Instagram/Twitter?
Actually, that first guy never lived there. That first guy isn’t even a real person. That second guy’s grandparents were in another war on a different continent, so they’re actually just small beans feeling a lot of trauma right now. It is incredibly racist to suggest Second Guy did anything wrong, and if we catch you saying as much then we’ll arrest you and deport you to a prison camp where you’ll be enslaved for the enrichment of some pro-Second Guy aristocrats.
Hope i didnt miss the panel where the small guys grandpa murdered a native and setup the chair and table
Fear not, you didn’t miss it, that’s just a thing that never happened.
I always support the culture that doesn’t put women into black togas and tell them what can they do at the threat of being stoned or their hand cut off.
That’s why I love israeli. It is hard not to. They are extremely pretty. Men and women alike have some unreal genes. You go on the street and half of it is beautiful women just going about their days like they weren’t looking like heavenly angels.
The fuck is this shit?
The inner monologue of every centrist.
Kinda like the Jewish invaders in middle east
Jew bad?
Don’t you mean zionist
Nazionist Ashkenazi jews
What should happen to the Israelis if palistine takes their land back?
The finders keepers rule of colonizers. We stole it, but you wanting it returned is stealing it too! /s
It’s not up to you or me, or the israeli colonizers as to what happens to Palestine. That should be decided by the palestinian people themselves.
there is no land back. people want a state with equal rights; that’s it. i love how this is always a “concern”: hey i know we genocided you, but what if you retaliate? we can’t have that do the genocide most continue.
in reality we’ve seen what happens: what happened to the white south africans in south africa? what happened to the slave owners in the united states after emancipation? what happened to them after natives got some or their land and autonomy back?
nothing. prosperity. but at this point i don’t give a shit if it’s not nothing. israelis proved time and again, yes the population too, not just the government, that they’re genocidal maniacs.
this is exactly the same as being concerned with what would happen to the nazis if germany gave rights back to the jews. imagine asking “what if the jews strike back? no the camps must stay”.
just as it was right back then to emancipate the jewish people and other minorities no matter what would happen afterwards, so it is for palestinians now. luckily for the rapists and murderers of the world, the oppressed never turn out to be so genocidal once freed.
I am just asking. That does not mean I am defending Isreal for fucks sake.
ok; it’s just been a common rhetoric to justify the continuation of the apartheid if not the genocide outright.
I know. I ‘support’ (for lack of a better term because I have not actually done shit for them) Palestinians. But hamas is another matter and I won’t pretend they are the good guys.
Hamas are the product of the Israeli regime. if there was no apartheid there would be no Hamas. also they’re nowhere near as bad as the IOF.
I get that. But comparing them idf depends on who you are.
What happened to white settlers in South Africa? To this day they still hold most of the good lands and are richer.
The status quo is that Palestinians have no rights (legal, human, you name it), while the Israeli state protects the Israeli citizens. They don’t get to vote, they don’t get to travel, and they don’t even get to keep their homes and lives in the face of the Gaza genocide and state-sponsored settler-colonialism.
Now, there is no reason that liberation for Palestinians must mean some sort of displacement or genocide for Israelis. The very fact that Zionists want you to believe that liberation is a zero-sum game is very telling.
One option would be a secular state that represents both Israelis and Palestinians, with appropriate measures to protect whichever ethnic group may be in the minority.
Another would be a recognized, democratic Palestinian state alongside Israel, in the borders of 1949 (or perhaps 1967), with a robust right to return. The illegal settler occupations erected since then would obviously need to be removed.
There are, of course, other avenues, some more utopic than others (as an anarchist, I favor a no state solution but I am pragmatic enough to recognize that this is wishful thinking for the near-future). But none of them, at least the serious ones, include dispelling all Israelis.
ITT: Terminally online Western .ml users being simperialist white knights again for their own favourite oligarchy.
omg a little zionist clown
Found the salty Zionist
Well wasn’t the excuse that the Jews had that land originally then over the history of time there were land disputes. I forget the whole history of it but that’s a bit I remember.
Sure, you could say in this comic it’s the guy on the left’s childhood home that they moved out of 20 years ago.
Go look up why DNA tests are banned in Israel
DNA tests proved this is a lie already
That was like 2500 years ago. There are Palestinians today who still carry the keys of the houses they were forced out of.
Should I have the right to go to Africa and kick people out of their houses, on the basis that all humans are believed to have originally come from Africa? There’s a statute of limitations at some point, surely.
Is there a statue of limitation on generations of systematic oppression all stemming from brutal imperialism? No, seems kinda dumb for a imperialist to put that in their own law. Considering.
😂 Jesus Christ. Imperialism from Palestinians millennia ago?
Idk how y’all function day to day with delusions like these.
Palestinians can trace their ancestry to that land for far longer than Islam itself has existed. Who the fuck do you think converted to Islam? Zionists thinking the only changes in religious or ideological makeup can be due to total wholesale extermination of men, women and children is extremely telling.
Helps that im not the one making the arguments.
You’re right, everybody needs to continue fighting over millenia long grudges. That’s what leftism is all about.
I suppose youre the ultimate authority on what is just and unjust?
3000 years ago, those knife-eared bastards double-crossed us, and now none of us dwarves would be caught dead associating with any elf.
You digress
Edit: youre like 5 sentences away from admitting harm reduction is the only way to sort these problems and im here for it.
Absolutely, and the destruction of the apartheid state is the best way to reduce harm.
I’m certainly no expert on it and I know that both sides have their arguments but these Zionists are really extreme and are just making excuses to justify the war crimes their committing. At the same time, Hamas also has their own issues, just not as much as Israel does.
Hey so this is my grandma house
Where’s she from?
Right over there 👉
That’s rough. Watch out for the retaliatory strikes provoked by your expansionist apartheid regime.
There’s probably a country out there that would accept you as a refugee, if you ever get tired of living on the front lines.
Some people are really no fun
That’s a weird looking pen.
It’s the pen that writes history
Political power flows from it
This is loss, right
it’s los
Huh, I wasn’t expecting a comic critical of Russia’s Ukraine invasion in this comm.
In your fantasy’s world it might be. Irl, not at all.
Looking at the responses in this thread, I’m pretty sure I don’t know enough to comment on the situation. Seems like you would have to study this subject semi-exclusively in order to have an informed take.
Fascists are murdering both ukrainians and palestinians. Grow up, lib.
Exactly, the Nazis in the Ukrainian government are sending Ukranians into meat grinders for the profits of the U.S. empire
I love how all the chuds from nazi adjacent instances come out of the woodwork to downvote anybody pointing out the basic facts of the situation.
No no no! You’re not allowed to talk about the US laying claim to huge swaths of the Ukrainian interior in exchange for another round of weapons imports. My libertarian friends told me that this is fine because the US is getting the land through contracts, which are totally bloodless and not in any way an infringement on the rights of the Ukrainian native peoples.
The above comic only applies to folks on the Eastern side of the big line. Westerners would never exploit the precarious position of Ukrainian nationalists to rob them, press-gang them into front-line combat rolls, and then snatch up all the vacant real estate once the smoke clears.
Aaaaand there it is.
They come here with their nonsnense equalizing a regular war to a genocide going on right now, the comic doesn’t even make sense in the situation of Ukraine, it’s about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn’t do
it’s about settler colonialism, something Russia doesn’t do
Okay, tap the breaks dude.
I’ll spot you that Ukraine/Russia is the latest in a long line of proxy wars between Eastern and Western oligarchs. And I’ll happily concede that Ukrainians are being swindled by their NATO “allies” while they’re forced to play punching bag in order to exhaust its historical enemy. I’ll even through in a “Maidan was a color revolution and liberal Ukrainians got royally played”.
But the idea that Russians aren’t above a little expansionism and exploitation is just… my god, man. Literally centuries of history to the contrary.
But the idea that Russians aren’t above a little expansionism and exploitation is just… my god, man. Literally centuries of history to the contrary.
- That is not what I said
- Why should I give a shit about you agreeing with me?
How on Earth is it not settler colonialism when Russia engages in a prolonged campaign of trying to russify the Ukranian language, heavily propogandizing those in border regions to either get them to apply for, or either grant them Russian passports/citizenship, then they claim the rightful borders have moved, then invade and capture those border areas (and others), and then emgage in ethnic cleansing within those border areas?
Please, explain to me how that isn’t settler colonialism, just with a few initial, semi-novel/semi-uncommon extra steps?
you don’t know what is settler colonialism and you don’t know what is reality, gtfo don’t compare Palestine to Ukraine
Would you care to explain anything, or do you just want to have a hissy fit?
Yep, Russia stole third of Ukraine and tries to pretend it’s a part of their country not because they’re doing colonialism, but because… um… nothing I guess, it’s not happening actually. All the Ukranians just deciding to die of natural causes there.
you genuinely don’t know what colonialism is
Hey, let’s compare definitions.
In my books, it’s when a big country tries to take some land, usually rich in resources, murder those parts of local population who disagrees with that, and make the rest into a workforce, taking all the resources into metropolis.
Now, given that, what parts of Russian relationships with Crimea, Donbass, and Lugansk regions don’t fit this definition? Well, apart from the fact that Russian military force is a military farce and they fail at all their plans except one when they murder local population.
Or do you think attempted colonialism doesn’t count? Because it’s not for the lack of trying, you knowColonialism is when a country I don’t like does a thing I don’t like somewhere else. Imperialism is when any country attacks any other.
There, who needs books when it’s that simple, tankies?
I was pretty sure it was the Gaza situation.
I mean, you could throw in the conflicts in Sudan and Ethiopia, the Indian encroachment into Kashmir, the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe even the 200 year old campaign to re-enslave Haiti.
Gaza’s just the latest in a long line of atrocities.
¿Porque no los dos?
What are you talking about the russians already lived in donbass which is why they voted to secede when the banderites started bombing them. Its not like settler colonialism at all.
That doesn’t explain why Russians have been occupying land in Ukraine for all that time. When an imperialist state conquers territory, it occupies the land in order to legitimize its claim it.
They are there, because Ukraine has been a vassal state to Russia, with its people treated as second-class citizens, for centuries. During that time, they have oscillated back and forth in status from rebellion to re-conquered, many times. This is just the latest wave of Russian oppression intended to crush dissent and re-establish Russian dominance over Ukraine through the russification of Ukrainian culture, language and identity. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Vatnik detected
It wasn’t just Russians that lived in Donbass.
But many do, and did historically, as it was part of Russia prior to the USSR.
But I have a genuine question: suppose that the majority of people living in Donbass genuinely wanted to break off and become part of Russia. Should they be allowed to, and if so, what steps should they have taken to make it happen, in the context that the government banned major opposition parties that were sympathetic towards Russia? What are you supposed to do, exactly, when the country is moving in a direction that you disagree with and shutting the opposition out of the political process, after seizing power through force?
All that says, is that you are this close to admitting that Ukraine has been an occupied territory for centuries. Except you are using that fact as a justification for continued occupation, and not a reason for Russia to stop their colonial objectives.
I didn’t say any of that shit.
What I did was state a couple objective historical facts and then ask a question, one that none of the downvoters and none of the people who have replied to me (including you) have anything resembling an answer to.
All y’all do when you get confronted by something you can’t answer is downvote, fall back on lazy talking points, block, and ignore it. This makes your criticism very hard to take seriously, you just parrot the news, with no investigation or critical thought.
Not all of modern Ukraine was part of Russia before the USSR, btw. When I said “it” I was referring specifically to the Donbass. Donbass was given to Ukraine, perhaps in the hope that the Russian population would influence the politics of the Ukrainian SSR in a way that was more cooperative with the rest of the Union. This is simply a fact, and astute readers will note that it’s mostly tangential to my actual question, except in that establishes that many Russians have lived there historically.
That’s not what it says. Your refusal to engage with evidence has you pretending you found a gotcha because you assume anything that disagrees with you has to be based on a flawed premise.
You’re literally ignoring the facts he presented (maidan was a coup, Donbas collectively decided to secede in a referendum). The people of the Donbas were resisting an attempted genocide as much as Gazans, you can listen to Poroshenko’s statements about bombing their hospitals, having their women and children hiding in basements, you can see the indiscriminate shelling of civilian centers. Both of them were propped up by your government (the lapdog of the only empire on earth rn), and by you personally, from your stupid refusal to acknowledge actual imperialism and pretending the enemies of the State Department must be the enemies of all of us everywhere.
Hey let’s switch examples and see if your logic stands up. The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don’t like the president of the United States, does that mean it’s perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries? Or is that fucking weird?
A downvote is not an answer btw.
The name Los Angeles is Spanish. Because Spanish speakers have been there longer than English speakers. If the Spanish speakers don’t like the president of the United States, does that mean it’s perfectly acceptable for the Mexican government to provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries?
glances at the current government of the United States
glances at the current government of Mexico
I’m raising my little Casa Bonita style Mexican flag to signal that I approve.
Bruh
Really telling on yourselves that yet another liberation movement reclaiming land that was stolen and an occupied and exploited to enrich empire is framed as the ultimate evil.
Fucking gringos.
Yes, and no it is not weird
Who is upvoting this racist lib fantasy? smh.
Everyone should rise up against this disgusting empire regardless of their “language”.
There is a mild secessionist movement in CA. People of all ethnicities in the city can dissaprove of the oppression taking place. Pre-2022, ask in Donbas was just autonomy from nazis shelling it relatively indiscriminantly. CA even if it were to ask for military help from Mexico or China, wouldn’t have as first choice to join as one of their provinces. In both cases, independence is more about humanist self determination rather than ethnic loyalties even if the fascist oppression is centered on extermination of ethnic/liberal “sub humans”
It’s funny because the Russians in the donbass were being ethnically cleansed and you picked an example where that’s also happening and they’re equally justified in using violence to defend themselves.
Yes. I wish they would.
Especially if the government said that those people were not allowed to participate in the political process, but given that the US political process is a joke and a sham, I don’t have any sort of belief in “upholding its territorial integrity” or anything like that.
Legitimacy derives from the consent of the governed, does it not?
See how I was able to immediately provide a very clear answer to your question? Now do mine.
Yes. I wish they would.
Now why do you wish the Mexican government would provide Spanish speaking protesters in LA with artillery systems and missile batteries, exactly?
So, do you remember how British colonists Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin went to France to negotiate for French military aid against the British, and how Lafayette arriving with that aid was vital to the success of the American Revolution? Well, I happen to be of the opinion that when people say that Trump is a fascist or is acting like a king, and that “in America, we don’t do kings,” that those words actually have meaning and aren’t just empty slogans.
The real question is, why do y’all think it would be bad for people resisting fascism to have access to artillery systems and missile batteries? 🤔
Btw, still no answer to my original question.
Historically the acceptable answer if you want to live in a different country would be to, you know, move to that country, instead of trying to move that country to you through war.
Btw, the Donbas is not a historically majority Russian region. It was subject to russification starting under tsarist Russia and intensified under the Soviets. But it was majority Ukrainian, home to the Ukrainian cossacks and major settlements were also deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy.
Interesting how “russiafication intensified under the Soviets” when the Soviets are the ones who gave the territory to Ukraine 🤔
The Ruthenians had been a people for centuries at that point, culturally similar but distinct from the Russians. History did not begin with the Soviet Union, nor are people defined by their borders, especially not in an age of empires and often shifting borders.
Non sequitor?
The claim you made was “Russiafication of the Donbass increased under the Soviets.” The same Soviets who granted the Donbass to Ukraine. Nothing in your comment seems at all relevant to that.
This is completely false. It was seat of Crimean Khanate, vassal of Ottoman Empire, which was also hostile to Poland, Russia AND cossacks. And “deeply intertwined with the Ukrainian economy” was mostly looting, kidnapping, raping and murdering Ruthenian peasants (ancestors of both Ukrainians and local Russians) as part of one of biggest historical slave trades which Russia ended when it conquered that blight of humanity Khanate was.
Your post is deeply ahistorical, disgusting and borders on slavery apologia, and you should be ashamed.
That’s even further back. I’m talking about the period when the Russian empire controlled the territory. During that time (+100 years), there was far more economic integration with the Ruthenians than there was with Russia proper. It made more logistical sense, it’s the same reason for which Crimea was ceded to Ukraine by the Soviets, Kiev due to its positioning was better suited to administratively control it.
The tsar sought to increase his influence over the region and began the process of russification, to tie the valuable region to Russia proper. The Soviets accelerated this, as they did in most of the other Soviet states.
Also thanks to ml mods to shut down any discussion. Come on, you’re better than just censoring comments.
The soviets did not expand russification, it was the opposite. They preserved and made official tons of minority languages (yiddish comes to mind), even establishing publishing houses in these languages. In addition to the SSRs that preserved the national identities and cultures of the given republics, the soviets instituted protections for minorities within these ssrs.
You dont get to post vibes base ahistoric nonsense (like you again did) then cry about mods “censoring” you.
The Soviets accelerated this
Do you have any supporting evidence whatsoever for the claim that Russiafication was worse under the Soviets than under the tsar? Because if not, the mods are well within their rights to remove your unsupported claims as misinformation.
It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it but the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue. It is not a suitable pretext for Russia to invade a country, bomb schools and hospitals, and force Ukrainians into either a smaller portion of their country or to live under an ethnostate that does not represent them. Putin has naked imperial ambitions not just in Ukraine but also in Georgia.
I’m now gonna block you, as I do everyone with pro-Russia views. Because anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.
the Russian state’s approach has basically been in every single way wrong.
This is the nut of it and the thing a lot of folks seem to struggle with. The NATO fuckery in Ukraine notwithstanding, Putin thought he could raise the stakes in Ukraine through a full scale invasion. He was absolutely wrong to do so. He fucked things harder than a thousand pogroms in the Donbas could have done.
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue.
Okay, no. That’s not how internationalism works. You don’t look across the border at an atrocity, shrug, and say “Not my problem.”
The Russian response could have been to open their own borders, build up relief on their end, and give Donbas residents a safe place to run and hide. But “sorry fuckers, should have been a Russian born in Russia” is as meat-headed as the folks who wanted to charge into Ukraine guns blazing.
He fucked things harder
Last when i checked Russia is winning the war, its economy is rising, its economical bloc is gaining traction while the US hegemony crumbles and US vassals are in complete shambles (a lot of which like the liberation of Sahel is directly possible only because NATO is currently being uncovered as paper tiger).
I would say it’s very distant from “fucking up”.
than a thousand pogroms in the Donbas could have done.
What a nice thing to say, pogrom enjoyer. Donbass is one of the genocides we will never know how bad they would get because they were stopped in time. And if it wasn’t, you probably wouldn’t even cry the crocodile tears, beacuse what’s a pogrom or hundred, right?
Last when i checked Russia is winning the war, its economy is rising, its economical bloc is gaining traction while the US hegemony crumbles and US vassals are in complete shambles
Might want to update your priors. Russia’s claiming a pyrrhic victory on the ground while losing irreplaceable assets and allies. US hegemony has been crumbling since the '00s, that’s nothing new. The vassals are, if anything, more militant and expansionist than ever (glances towards Israel)
Donbass is one of the genocides we will never know how bad they would get because they were stopped in time.
How can you count the dead in this war well over the million mark and say that with a straight face?
I’m now gonna block you
You absolute baby
The Russian ethnic minority and it’s treatment is a domestic issue.
Hey that’s exactly what Candice Owens said about how Hitler treated the jews
The Russian minority wasn’t being genocided, and at most they could be ethnically cleansed considering Russia has it’s own nuclear-armed ethnostate that’s the largest in the world. Genocide is an international issue, what was not even an ethnic cleansing is a domestic issue.
It’s a complicated issue to solve, and I’m not the person to solve it
Im now gonna block you… anyone that can excuse Russia’s actions is not worthy of my attention.
It’s Russians that live in the Donbass, not Poles.
There are a few Taiwanese in Taiwan apart from Chinese,
a few Australians in Australia apart from Anglos,
and a few Americans in the US apart from Anglos,
but there are no Ukrainians in Ukraine.In Ukraine in general, ~68% speak Ukranian natively, ~17% are native Ukranian/Russian bilingual, ~14% are native Russian speakers.
In the Donbas, ~27% Ukrainian native speakers, ~29% bilinguals, ~42% Russian native speakers.
Going by nationality:
~73% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~18% of Ukranian nationals are bilingual natives.
~9% of Ukranian nationals natively speak Russian.
~4% of Russian nationals natively speak Ukranian.
~14% of Russian nationals are bilingual.
~81% of Russian nationals natively speak Russian.
All these numbers are from 2017.
…
I think it is safe to say that there are in fact many Ukranians in Ukraine, even many Ukranians in Donbas, at least prior to 2022… due to, you know, the ethnic cleansing undertaken by an occupying foreign national army.
My napkin math on those numbers works out to 53% Russian nationals vs 46% Ukranian nationals in Donbas in 2017.
Using a 53% Russian vs 46% Ukranian proportion to justify mass military force against the Ukranian population in Donbas is roughly the same logic that would conclude it is morally correct to invade Los Angeles and deport everyone who isn’t fluent in English, which has similar proportions between English and Spanish.
Ah yes, they are just “confused Russians” who speak a different language because of the ebul West.
In the Donbas? Half of them speak Russian natively, you dunce. About another fifth are natively bilingual.
Since you started it: are you blind?
There are no Ukrainians in Ukraine
“There are Ukrainians in Ukraine”
They weren’t talking about the Donbas specifically, they were talking about the entire Ukraine.
No, they are fascist Russians who speak a different language because they hated communism and decided to turn their Russian dialect into a full-blown language.
The Soviets decided to respect the language and cultural differences as long as they denounced their fascism.
Plus “The West” is too vague a term to take seriously.If you’re from the US, you’re soon going to be familiar with the ‘fascist spin-off nation’.
Yeah, the famous communist hating “Russians” deciding to write in Ukrainian in the 1840s.
Alexander II. banned any publications in Ukrainian. But yeah, totally just fascist Russians lol.
God I’m so fucking tired of idiot liberals who refuse to read history and think their ignorant fucking smarm is the same as knowledge
Dialects have names. Go back further and you’ll notice the language starts out in Kiev, same as Russian, in the same era as the same language.
Again, if you live in the US, you’ll have this historical revisionism fun of fascism too soon.
It should have started “these guys live here now.”
What guys? The fascist invaders?
And instead of “how do we get the intruder out of the house?” the question these fascists ask is “Why not just let the intruder live there?”
