• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    You cant tell me my definition of zionism is wrong then tell me your made up definition of zionism is right.

    Lmao, my definition of Zionism is not “made up.” Here’s what came up when I googled “Zionism definition:”

    Zionism is a political movement that supports the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel. It encompasses both the historical desire for a Jewish homeland and the modern-day efforts to develop and sustain the State of Israel.

    Fucking dumbass, maybe learn basic terms and facts about the situation before trying to weigh in with your ignorant drivel.

    No investigation, no right to speak.

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      Let’s keep this going.

      Simply put, Zionism is a movement to recreate a Jewish presence in Israel. The name comes from the word “Zion,” which is a Hebrew term that refers to Jerusalem.

      Throughout history, Jews have considered certain areas in Israel sacred—as do Christians and Muslims. The Torah, the Jewish religious text, depicts stories of ancient prophets who were instructed by their God to return to this homeland.

      While the fundamental philosophies of the Zionist movement have existed for hundreds of years, modern Zionism formally took root in the late 19th century. Around that time, Jews throughout the world faced growing anti-Semitism.

      Some historians believe that an increasingly tense atmosphere between Jews and Europeans may have triggered the Zionism movement. In one 1894 incident, a Jewish officer in the French army named Alfred Dreyfus was falsely accused and convicted of treason. This event, which became known as the “Dreyfus Affair,” sparked outrage among Jewish people and many others.

      Persecuted Jews who were struggling to salvage their identity began promoting the idea of returning to their homeland and restoring a Jewish culture there.

      https://www.history.com/articles/zionism

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        You realize that still supports my definition and not yours, right? Where in that definition does it say anything about killing Palestinians, as you assert is part of what Zionism is defined by?

        What’s the point of telling you to investigate if when you investigate and find proof that you’re wrong, you simply keep asserting that the evidence proves you right? Maybe you should just stop speaking entirely, at that point.

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          Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.

          What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people. How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal!

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            Im just demonstrating “zionism” didnt become “zionism” until the jews acted on their belief that they had a claim to some land. Just as the Palestinians believe they have a claim to some land, religious or otherwise. Some guy deemed the Jewish zionism “zionism” from some other meaning just as a Palestinian “zionism” could be claimed.

            This is utterly insane. That’s not what the word means, at all. Zionism isn’t “anytime someone has a claim to some land,” JFC.

            What does it even matter, youre now arguing that zionism could exist with out the displacement or death of the Palestinian people.

            Wrong. I’m arguing that the death of displacement of Palestinians is not part of the definition of Zionism. In practice, that is what it entails. Learn to read.

            How is that wrong in a region strictly inhabited by other ethnostates? Hell, you even argue Iran, an ethnostate, is justified in attacking isreal.

            Iran is not an ethnostate, nor is it committing genocide, and it’s “attacks” are retaliation for Israel’s unprovoked aggression.

            I’m not interested in discussing this further with you until you either educate yourself and can actually defend your views from an informed position, or until you stop trying to attack my views from a position of complete and utter ignorance, where you say such nonsense as “Zionism is whenever anyone claims any land.”

            When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense.