And I cast that wish at level 9
Well no duh. It’s a level 9 spell. Can’t cast it lower than that.
Agree with antifascist stuff. Just nitpicking the fascist idiot’s idiotic words: what the hell is an example of a non-politically-motivated assassination?? isn’t every assassination politically motivated?
isn’t every assassination politically motivated?
We can go further and describe everything we do and every way in which we interact with others as “politically motivated” because politics is literally just dealing with someone else. If there were two people left on earth, there would be politics. If there was only one person left, there would finally be no politics.
And that’s my platform when I run: no more politics 2028! lets gooooo!
Honestly yeah. My understanding of politics is power dynamics, which is just built into everything
I don’t know what level of irony you’re on, but seriously, isn’t the political motivation what makes it different from a (paid) murder?
Mob hits.
Financially-motivated assassinations? Having someone killed before they can disown you?
Often, I think being an important person or person in position of power is an important factor that makes it different than just a murder.
Assassination of passion.
Riegel could have done better here; his comeback isn’t really that smart. See, this same script works exactly the same in reverse:
- right winger: “Down with pedophiles!”
- left winger: “Down with JK rowling and <insert right-wing anti-lgbt nonsense>”
- right winger: “I just said down with pedophiles. Telling that you took that as an insult to your politics.”
Your counter-example doesn’t make sense.
In the picture in this post, the person who read the “down with fascism” message expressed disappointment with the person’s message, thus revealing that they are associating fascism with their own political leaning.
In your example, the left-winger just mentions a name of someone else they don’t like in response, which isn’t even connected to the topic.
You’re missing the point that certain political ideologies have very strong connections with each other. Except one side is arguably connected to many much worse terms.
You can say “down with authoritarian marxists!” and you might get a few tankies to pipe up and say “wow I can’t believe you are attacking the glorious people’s blah blah blah” to which you can say “aha called out your politics!” but nobody really takes tankies seriously anyway nor are they a threat to modern nation-building the same way they were a century or two ago.
It doesn’t matter that we’re correct that right-wingers are fascists while they’re wrong that we’re pedophiles. The rhetoric works exactly the same in either case.
As I responded to the other commenter, right-wingers are obviously well aware that left-wingers will call them fascists, even if they do not consider themselves fascist and hold a negative perspective of fascism. I consider pedophiles bad but I’m aware that right-wing people are going to call me one just because I’m gay.
In a flipped conversation, where the third commenter is a right-winger who says “look, you didn’t deny being a pedophile!,” I’m sure they would take a screenshot of the conversation and post it to twitter and get lots of upvotes since that looks like such an own. They’d probably even say they can tell by my disappointment that I was implicitly acknowledging I’m a pedophile.
If your clever comeback sounds exactly as smooth coming out of the enemy’s mouth, it’s not a very good comeback.
I’m arguing that your example isn’t communicating your thesis very well, and I don’t think I’m alone in that feeling, but I’m doing the courtesy of letting you know that it’s not connecting and why.
The bit about calling sam out and down with lies makes it pretty clear that he views it as a counter attack
Well yeah, obviously. The right wing, regardless of whether they consider themselves fascist or not, are obviously aware that left is going to call them out for being fascists. Just as I’m aware that when right-wing people say “pedophiles” they likely are talking about queer people. It’s not going to go over anyone’s head.
Blue checkmark checks out.
Um, actually Wish is always cast at level 9.
The old 3.5e Epic Level Handbook had 10th level spells, and the rules surrounding their use.
So, maybe you could use a 10th level spell slot to stengthen Wish?
I haven’t played D&D this century, and the last Pathfinder I ran was lower level and we only did 1 or 2 actual play sessions before scheduling fell apart. (Also, I’m a pretty bad DM, even working from an existing published campaign; people just want me to be GM because I can remember rules.)
Um acktshually you can cast Limited Wish as a 7th level in Pathfinder 🤓
Um, actually Limited Wish is not Wish.
As of this month I am 31 years clean from D&D. And even I knew that wish is always cast at level 9.
“I cast that wish at level 9” is a weird phrasing. So far as I know Wish is already level 9, so there’s no other level to cast it at. Older editions had “limited wish” but I don’t believe they had upcasting. It feels very “how do you do fellow children”
It’s kinda “fellow kids” but also a lot people don’t know the rules of the games they play.
This one’s a fascist tho, so fuck them.
DnD is also a game that utilizes table rules pretty much all the time. It’s possible that his DM gave more flexible rules, I know my DM will if you have a convincing argument.
But also, buddy definitely says “you’re one of the good ones” to his black coworkers
I love threads where there’s the one person downvoting a benign comment, like “fuck fascists.” It must be lonely on Lemmy for those people. I sure hope it is.
Suffer being ostracized, downvoting fascist.
Unfortunately there seem to be a not-insignificant number of accelerationist tankies on various instances, so I’m sure fascists habe someone to hold hands with and trash on the rest of the political spectrum.
All they ever do is “No, u…!”
Haven’t had an original thought since 1936.
Reactionary politics in a nutshell
it’s in the name
Yeah this happened once during the 2020 July protests in Serbia. As we walked, we passed a WW2 memorial and the guy leading the group took a moment to stop, comment on it and chant “death to fascism” a few times. Then out of the blue two guys started yelling “death to communism”.
To be fair, “death to fascism, freedom to the people” is a communist slogan known by everyone from ex-Yugoslavia, but getting triggered by someone disavowing fascism right next to a statue that shows how fascists murdered civilians in raids in your own city is… worrying.
Weird how every anticommunism turns out to be fascism putting on a performance for libs.
Not in Eastern Europe. People hate the communists here. They have ruined their countries, basically occupied them.
Maybe we should stop listening, and start doing.
Not by accident, Serbia is like the MAGA lovin’ south of Europe, complete with the ignorant meat-heads gargling Putin’s balls.
For some reason there seems to be this idea that everything must either be fascist or communist or somewhere between. Like they don’t believe in the existence of other political philosophies.
They’re obsessed with the political spectrum being one-dimensional, it isn’t.
Binary thinking is inherently limiting for complex issues, we aren’t computers we don’t need to look at everything like a boolean
Ah yes, the two genders
The next chant should be “death to fascism, death to capitalism”
Fascism is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. We need to go back to the correct timeline. Socialism was the improvable system. Capitalism is social darwinism (read: a lie)
Either one taken to its extreme ends with some sort of despotism. You really need both working together to keep each other in check.
feel free to prove that point. it is insane. capitalism has never worked for the people, in any country. whereas socialism has worked by itself and for the people very well. the red scare propaganda of “big bad communism” is a hoax. but besides that, the western states had to kill many socialist leaders and destablize many socialist countries (please read about it, its disgusting) to make them seem “unable to work”.
Ever say “Fuck Nazis” and some fuck face goes “Of course you would make fun of conservatives you lib!”.
Wonderful feeling.
In my experience they never get it. It is fun to make fun of them. Once they reveal themselves, they become very predictable and even when called out as to how they will respond, they do it anyway like an npc.
Can’t cast Wish @ level 9. Gotta be at least level 17. Git good newb
But it’s a 9th level spell. Don’t make me bust out the chart.
Then you don’t need to specify what level it’s cast at, it’s level 9 by default. Get outnerded 🤓
“Politically motivated assassinations”? Should we bring up the comparative list of politically-motivated extremist incidents in the US and see which side is enacting most of the violence?
“politically motivated assassinations?” like the two Democratic politicians who were just murdered yesterday in Minnesota?
No no, that’s like school shootings in the USA, part of their apolitical culture!
It’s mental illness!
Including the ones in Minnesota today?
The Minnesota ones are particularly interesting. The Democrats had a one-seat advantage in both chambers of the Minnesota legislature. The assassin specifically targeted one Democratic member of each chamber. The Minnesota House is now tied, and the Senate will be tied until Hoffman is able to work or (or Minnesota allows it, I’m not sure) is about to designate someone to vote for him.
There should be rules that disincentive assassination so this doesn’t happen again.
Like, “murder is illegal”? Cuz, that’s one lol
Specifically, any one party shouldn’t be able to take advantage of a momentary shift in power due to an assassination of a member in the other party.
And how do you incentivise politicians to follow that rule?
Obviously there is still enough incentive. Maybe the legislature should still get her vote, from like a deputy or assistant of some kind.
well the FBI said there’s not enough evidence…
/s
I like how it’s “politically motivated assassinations” while graffiti on a Tesla is terrorism.
This is one of my favorite parts of sitting out playing music by my “resist fascism” sign.
No self awareness lmfao I love it when people accidentally tell on themselves like this, is there a name for it?
Sam’s a real one. The whole group are, but of them all, Sam’s the one I’d least want to go toe to toe with in an argument.
Dude’s sharp as fuck.
Matt would be too nice to tear you to shreds in an argument. Many of the others probably just wouldn’t engage. Sam enjoys conflict and uncomfortable situations.
That’s some kind of weird superpower in my eyes.
Thing is, so do I. I would love the spar, but know when I am outmatched.
