okay well conflating the two is a pretty arbitrary thing to do, and not really something you would want to assume everyone else does. you seem surprised that people reacted negatively to your comment… and you attribute that to us not being “anti imperialist” enough… when really you’re just speaking a different language. maybe getting upset about it was your original intention?
I reject imperalism, I recognize state influence on media (especially in authoritarian nations) is a major threat to society, billionaires are a cancer, and everyone deserves their basic needs met.
Because you’re drinking the koolaid of so called democracies while thinking they’re not killing millions of people for profit. What do you think the people do that mine the stuff for your phones, the people around the mines, the people who live near oil extraction.
Capitalist nations are the greater evil by a huge margin. They kill as many people in three years as all socialist countries in the world ever did.
Please read something that is not imperialist media. Its really easy to understand. Capitalism is evil.
Give some examples of non imperialist media and nations that we should aspire towards.
I understand the devistation of nickle, cobalt, and other mines and recently spent several months in countries around their main sources in SEA. I’ve lived in China for a few years, and I currently live in a country formerly under communist control.
I think you are dreaming about an ideal that doesn’t actually exist. There are attrocities across the board.
Men make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living.
I would agree no country is perfect with regards to being completely anti-imperialist. All nation-states have an interest in building empire.
Having said that just because we live in a world that incentives competition between nation-states, that does not mean the world as is, is inevitable or eternal. Just because an ideal doesn’t exist, doesn’t mean it’s not an ideal worth striving for. Things can change and it is worth striving towards a world with better human relations.
Having said that, some examples of more positive relations do exist.
While China is far from perfect, they have made small positive steps with the Belt and Road Initiative by offering better terms to developing countries than historical international investments initiatives such as the IMF and the World Bank. If leaders in western liberal democracies want to compete with China and offer developing countries terms with even better environmental and labor standards for mining operations or otherwise; I view that as an unmitigated win for human relations.
Unfortunately, from where I’m sitting, it seems like leaders in western liberal democracies are more interested in competing with China in military terms rather than in labor or environmental terms.
They’re all state controlled. I cant tell you often enough.
Capitalism is not a free system. The media only says what it is supposed to say. That has been proven countless times.
The reason why some mainstream media posts “critical” articles is to make the ruse believable.
Please read anti imperialist sources and be prepared to have the crudest awakening possible.
What we in the west call “propaganda” by eastern states is mostly true and our understanding of "history* is mostly false. We are the baddies.
State controlled? No. Corporate controlled. The same corporate interests that control the state.
Well, yes. I dont distinguish between them in capitalism because the dont have diverging interests long term.
okay well conflating the two is a pretty arbitrary thing to do, and not really something you would want to assume everyone else does. you seem surprised that people reacted negatively to your comment… and you attribute that to us not being “anti imperialist” enough… when really you’re just speaking a different language. maybe getting upset about it was your original intention?
So you’re accusing me of bad intentions. This will totally make me have a meaningful discussion with you.
discussion was over before it began man
Good you admit it. Nice life.
“ADMIT IT!!” man you are so fixated on finger pointing, that’s why we can’t talk to you. as if discussion is a one way street.
but I wanted to at least clarify that intending to get upset doesn’t equate to bad intentions. it just doesn’t make for good discussion.
Haha did i trigger you by any chance?
You’re so fixated on misunderstanding me that you dont get your own mistake. I’m just not willing to help because i am over you being condescending.
Good luck with that attitude.
Don’t cut yourself on all that edge
Its quite shocking how unpopular antiimperialism is on lemmy. But then again, this is world.
It’s quite shocking how people ignore imperalism of the east. Neither is acceptable.
You didnt need to prove my point that fast but okay. Thanks i guess.
Did your country print you the “certified centrist” barcode in your neck yet? :D
What’s that supposed to mean?
I reject imperalism, I recognize state influence on media (especially in authoritarian nations) is a major threat to society, billionaires are a cancer, and everyone deserves their basic needs met.
Because you’re drinking the koolaid of so called democracies while thinking they’re not killing millions of people for profit. What do you think the people do that mine the stuff for your phones, the people around the mines, the people who live near oil extraction.
Capitalist nations are the greater evil by a huge margin. They kill as many people in three years as all socialist countries in the world ever did.
Please read something that is not imperialist media. Its really easy to understand. Capitalism is evil.
Give some examples of non imperialist media and nations that we should aspire towards.
I understand the devistation of nickle, cobalt, and other mines and recently spent several months in countries around their main sources in SEA. I’ve lived in China for a few years, and I currently live in a country formerly under communist control.
I think you are dreaming about an ideal that doesn’t actually exist. There are attrocities across the board.
I would agree no country is perfect with regards to being completely anti-imperialist. All nation-states have an interest in building empire.
Having said that just because we live in a world that incentives competition between nation-states, that does not mean the world as is, is inevitable or eternal. Just because an ideal doesn’t exist, doesn’t mean it’s not an ideal worth striving for. Things can change and it is worth striving towards a world with better human relations.
Having said that, some examples of more positive relations do exist.
One could point to the international healthcare initiatives from Cuba as a positive example of non-imperialist relations to aspire towards.
While China is far from perfect, they have made small positive steps with the Belt and Road Initiative by offering better terms to developing countries than historical international investments initiatives such as the IMF and the World Bank. If leaders in western liberal democracies want to compete with China and offer developing countries terms with even better environmental and labor standards for mining operations or otherwise; I view that as an unmitigated win for human relations.
Unfortunately, from where I’m sitting, it seems like leaders in western liberal democracies are more interested in competing with China in military terms rather than in labor or environmental terms.