the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship
For the record, no, it’s pitting unconstitutional orders against sworn duty.
I don’t want the military to decide any outcomes, but I do think just about time they let everyone involved know that the military’s only loyalty is to the people and the constitution. Yes, they take orders from the president, but we have checks and balances for a reason, and I’d feel better if the military just stated plainly their primary goal is to keep it that way.
While that would be nice, this would potentially make Trump try to purge “non-loyal” officers even harder.
This is why such a revolution doesn’t start from the masses, but from someone higher up who gives the command and then people follow them.
If a lowly soldier disobeys, he’s removed. And grass-roots doesn’t work for that kind of stuff.
Trump has been getting rid of higher ups, they aren’t protected.
That makes everything pretty difficult.
What generally triggers military coups is that one of these higher-ups rebels when or after they are removed.
But yeah, there’s a time window for that and it’s closing rapidly.
There won’t be a rebellion by the people. There hardly can be one, without a rebellion by the military.
Yes, which is why in the other comment chain we were talking about the right moment. Tip your hand too soon and you’re just getting purged.
True, but it only works if there will actually be a rebellion started by some higher-up.
Anything to make Trump’s dismantlement of democracy even just a tiny bit harder is a good thing.
My fear is that it would make it easier, by singling out who needs to be purged.
If they stay compliment with Trump, they won’t need to be purged anyways as they are complient at that point.
If they pick the right moment to resist, they can at least tie up lawyers and/or millitarty personnel up with court marshalls, spending money, resources, and manpower to keep them in military prison, ect.
And besides that, its literally in their oath to disobey unlawful orders, so if something is blatently unconstitutional and immoral I would expect every good soldier to follow their oath rather than their orders.
I don’t disagree with any of this, but it’s kind of precisely why coming out and saying what teawrecks wants them to say before that right moment is foolhardy at best imo.
In other words, your saying that they should keep a low profile until the moment they need to disobey? Makes sense.
Yeah, exactly this.
But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.
The fuck.
Literal fucking criminals committing legally sanctioned kidnappings in broad daylight.
Fuck this country.
Anyone still think this is OK?
You know who you are, and if you think this is OK, then fuck you
But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.
Can’t trust anyone.
And they have a baby only 10 months old!! My baby is a little bit older but still, can’t imagine if something like that just came and split us, it would be very traumatic for everyone.
And if Trump has his way, that baby will someday get deported too. The dad should be glad the baby wasn’t with mom when they kidnapped her. They might have taken the baby too.
Daughter: Daddy, why do you work for the people who kidnapped Mommy? Correa: I don’t, sweetheart. I’m in the Army. The Army doesn’t deport people. ICE does. Daughter: They both take orders from the president, though, right? Correa: well, yeah. Daughter: So, why do you work for the man who ordered ICE to kidnap Mommy? Correa: …
Army Sgt. Ayssac Correa had just started his day at the 103rd Quartermaster Company outside of Houston on the morning of March 13 when he got a phone call from his sister-in-law.
She worked at the same company as Correa’s wife and had just pulled into the parking lot to see three ICE agents handcuffing her.
“They’re taking Shirly away!” she told him.
Imagine getting that call. We’ve definitely become evil.
It’s not we that have become evil. I think it’s imperative that people properly consider who is doing the evil shit.
Many years ago I was visiting some country in Central America, and they were not angry that I was American even though the American government had done horrible things to their country, because they knew that I had no control over what those crazy motherfuckers did.
And that doesn’t mean that everyone is powerless, that we shouldn’t try to make a difference. That’s a different conversation.
My wife is Mexican-American. She was born here, and I fear that call. ICE is rounding up everyone that they “suspect” is undocumented. I’m afraid that she’ll get picked up and lost in the system before I can bring proof of citizenship.
What ICE is doing is evil. I can’t believe this is my country after only a few months, and I fear what will happen in a few years.
the proof doesn’t matter when they’re not bothering to check; ask kilmar obrego garcia.
i had family members that were born and raised in this country and deported during the last bought of xenophobia that this country went through during ww2; the most recent one ended up living out the rest of his life and dying in mexico.
“Surely my king won’t deport my wife”
He is, and don’t call him Shirley.
No one can call Shirly, she’s getting deported.
Remember this, service men and women, when you are given your orders to oppress us.
You are also one of the oppressed.
Just a little lower on the list.
what does the military say to recruits that so thoroughly dupes them into thinking the government gives half a rat’s ass about them?
The main thing is ~13y of indoctrination in our schools starting with pledge every day and the whitewashing of our history.
“you aint seen nuthin yet”
-GOP
Where are you seeing he was a trumper?
But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.
It’s not definitive, but it’s a big fucking clue.
Odds are pretty good giving that he’s in the military. The Latino people I know who were ex military are Trump 100%.
A single quote saying he felt bad about the ICE deportations, I think. I didn’t see anything in there that was direct.
Nobody is safe from the
CommanderLeopard in Chief
That should be the leopards ate my face mascot
Fascist dictators don’t have loyalty, soldier. That’s a key element to them.
“Me being in the military—I felt bad that it was happening, because I’m also married to somebody who’s going through the [immigration] process. But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.
That misconception is common, immigration attorneys and advocates told The War Horse. But in reality, there is no guaranteed path to citizenship for undocumented military family members—and no guaranteed protections against deportation.
And that’s how you know exactly who that idiot voted for. Now he’s getting the day he asked for, and it’s no longer fun.
