He made a typo. It should read “there is not another military in the world that would have done this”
Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes…
Trump II has felt like W Bush III this problem is bigger than him.
It’s the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.
Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there
*immense relief*
They knew this was happening, we all knew. I hope this is not just a claim. It’s not like you can just take nuclear material home in a jiffy.
There is aerial photo on the AlJazeera website right now from a day or two before the strike with like 8 trucks moving it
That’s not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won’t be able to cover it up for very long.
There’s different isotopes in the fallout, different radio spectrometry or whatever, but I think they could lie and say that the reason it looks like a conventional nuclear weapon is because Iran was hiding a nuke and they blew it up.
A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn’t just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.
Speaking of saying anything, I’m going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I’m not tacking Trump’s fucking tweet for it.
What gives you the idea that Trump gives any fucks about lying?
Sure, in fantasyland
What’s so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?
Looks like that didn’t happen here, but I see no reason that it couldn’t.
Because nuclear detonations are very different to conventional ones, and every major power has satellites monitoring for them. They can’t be hidden. Hell, any university or weather service within 3,000 miles would be able to detect it.
Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?
See this is exactly what I am worried about.
The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up… unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle…
GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate… you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
… Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
fucking not good
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like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
That was probably the US’s entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.
Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.
JDAM is supposed to have a circular error probable of 5m and it’s an upgrade kit from 25 years ago. I can definitely believe that a much newer purpose-built weapon can do better than that. The idea of hitting the same spot with multiple bombs might not actually be that unlikely
you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these
Anything for a Nobel peace prize.
Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they’d go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab
If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.
But not for ground penetration, no.
A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.
A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.
A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter… so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma… and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.
Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.
The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact… but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.
A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.
And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.
So… the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you’d need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.
And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.
The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and… rough math works out to about… maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?
I guess we’ll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.
Trump is not single handedly responsible for jack shit. Get the fick outta here with this great man theory nonsense. Almost every single democrat has been in lock step supporting this shit.
Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn’t be any different, only libs wouldn’t protest because slay kween we came we saw he died
It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?
There’s a reason I said almost singlehandedly.
Would you prefer ‘played a pivotal role’?
Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump’s first term, despite that being one of Trump’s campaign promises.
But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.
Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/presidential-power-to-terminate-international-agreements
Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?
Absolutely yes.
But in this particular instance… the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.
I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.
Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society… he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.
While the masses that supported the regime change in Libya that Obama and Hillary were pushing with straight up KKK level propaganda (“Gaddafi handing out viagra for mass rapes” + “Gaddafi recruiting mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa” = real migrant workers from Chad were getting hanged from bridges by the “rebels for democracy”) and is currently a slave market are what? Unfrustrated, tolerant, intellectual, classy liberals?
The entire US middle class on both sides turns to a cheerleader for the military industrial complex with only slightly different narratives to support it each time. The presidents are puppets of economic forces, snap out of it.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
not a flaw, this is a feature of US power
They were not.
Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
The worst war crime of your life so far
Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.
I’d rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.
We need to figure out mathematically the human Swarm size needed (5million?) to converge at the White House and Congress and literally tear these monsters apart limb from limb. Enough of a crashing wave of pure manswarm to overwhelm these traitorous pieces of Nazi fucking trash! This needs to happen in every state. Burn this shit down, fuck society if it’s going to be some half-assed stolen AI version of 1984 and dystopian insanity.
I love your solution-oriented mindset, but just feel the need to clarify one point. This is what the US has always stood for, it’s always been a wretched hell-empire run by rich ghouls willing to drown the world in blood. Those of us who want to get along and not kill everybody, we’re the traitors, just factually speaking. And that’s a good thing
I don’t think he knows what the word “peace” means.
There’s always a tweet:
I honestly thought he wasn’t a war monger judging from last term. Man, was I wrong. He’s a complete POS.
Republicans, you can fire him at any time, you’re letting this happen.
here is a trick to determine if they are warmongers:
are they capitalists? yes? then on a large enough timeline they will support war as long as it bring them profit. and war is always profit.
You mean the guy who assassinated one of Iran’s top military commanders during his first term?
His first term was complete shock, that one slipped by me.
May the US Empire crumble to dust, its only vestiges a dark stain on human existence for future historians to look on with disgust towards.
I don’t wanna jinx it, but
It would be hilarious if Trump’s, Israel’s and Iran’s actions end up triggering significant climate action out of the sheer cost of continuing to burn oil. The last fuel crisis in the 70s actually caused significant amounts of research into alternatives and some interesting electric vehicles were actually released during that time
Inshallah
Hate to be that guy but -> “Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around. And going by the past absolute fuckery of prediction skills, that means we got at best till 2040… No history or historians, just slow climate death and extinction for all.
Doubt it. Climate change is already happening, but we can mitigate its effects the earlier we tackle it. Plus, no idea who is floating the collapse idea around.
“Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around
By whom?
Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.
Damn it. :(
Getting these vibes
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Wanna take a trip to the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum and liberate this banner for the memes?
Congress?? Hello?
Congress has been increasingly abdicating more of its powers for several administrations now
In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.
It’s what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.
They’re too busy changing their pants after their wishes finally came true
It’s weird to laugh in a time like this. Thank you, I guess.
Sometimes laughing is all we can do in times like this
Nah, they’re all on the phone with their stockbrokers.
You laugh but several members of Congress bought stocks in defense contractors shortly before this military operation
“So we still get paid and we don’t have to do anything? That’s amazing! Haha, but why do I have to face the wall for this part?”
sigh, that settles that then. More blood will be spilt before any of this comes to an end. Shame, shame on all of us for allowing this to pass. May God have mercy on us all.
This isn’t on the majority of US citizens.
Its obvious our entire socio/political system is corrupted by money. The idea that a group of sociopaths who behave as if their socio economic status grants them impunity to act as though they have divine provenance to manipulate whatever they please for some reason view the us democratic system as too sacred for them to touch is foolishly naive.
There is the election fraud case in rockwell county new york that is moving forward. And besides that i like to call attention to Germany the supreme court of which decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional as it is impossible to determine the difference between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for lay people or anyone who is not a cybersecurity/ IT expert.
This coupled with the corporate media’s narrative manipulation and successful attempts to shift the Overton window as far right as possible in the last 5 decades as well as such insidious techno fascist tactics such as Israel’s consortium of tech contractors called Team Jorge in operation since st least 2015 which engage in hacking, and social media narrative manipulation through sophisticated bot farming it paints a picture that the American electorate is ultimately powerless and being insidiously controlled by a group of disgusting power hungry fascists that are engaged in a class war with us.
Anyone directly responsible for the current state of the USA and gloval affairs involving Israel deserve no mercy whatsoever. Including the overly audible minority of conservatives who have been lead to believe they are the majority and the world is their oyster to shit on and step on freely with complete impunity.
But the majority of us are good people who dont want this. Especially the millennials and gen z. The Democratic party has shifted so far right to appease it’s corporatist(fascist) masters and education standards have been gutted so most people dont even understand how we are being victimized. Maybe my faith in humanity is misplaced considering how igly things are but leftism has always been popular especially among educated people and this is why the right has destroyed education standards. As nixon and reagan advisor roger freeman said “we are on the verge of having a highly educated proletariat, this is dynamite! We have to be more selective of who we allow through higher education. At the time he said this before the Reagan administration some public universities especially federal Land grant universities has free tuition and many others that were not free were $50 per semester. Even yale was $700 per semester for tuition before the 1970’s now you need yo go into massive debt to get a degree that might gaurantee you a wage of $25-30 after you graduate with a debt of 50-100K at least if not 4-10 times that.
They want dumb complacent obedient workers who will not object to being looted so they can live in opulence at our expense while simultaneously funding their forever wars to further their imperialist agenda and profit motives.
You honestly believe that there is a peacefull path left at this point? The system is rigged by design, and you are not going to restore democracy in the courtroom.
Quit playing Martin and start playing Malcolm. Pick up a gun and kill your fascist leaders before they kill all of us.
Goodbye Hormuz, I mean, why wouldn’t they?
NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!
Irony truly is dead.
It wasn’t before already?
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He ends a bunch of his tweets that way, he’s very strange.
And then he eats his hamberder too.
Thank you for attention to hamberder
Many such cases.
He’s read a few work-emails recently (by accident, naturally) and some of their jargon seems to have stuck with him.
This should never have happened. Fucking psychopathic orange lunatic.
“Pakistan Doubles Down On Nobel Prize Boost”
–tm probably
No new wars Trump strikes again, once again, with war.
Gotta prop up your masters when they tell you to invade.
America. Fucking. Sucks.
Love this part of the timeline yet? Welcome to your 1984
