• quediuspayu@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    If the creator intended a meaning for the piece, the creator.

    If the creator made something just for the fun of it and came up with a meaning afterwards, still the creator.

    The audience can’t change that but what they can do is to not give a fuck about what the creator thinks so they are free give whatever meaning they want. Specially when the authors are no longer around to complain or explain what were their intentions.

  • matte@feddit.nu
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    22 hours ago

    Meaning only exists as experienced by someone particular in a specific situation in time and space. The meaning-making processes in these situations assume a configuration of previous experiences, and probably conventions, languages, agreements on symbols and metaphors, technologies and so on. “The work” doesn’t have any meaning outside of these situations (maybe it doesn’t even exist, depending on how you define it). The author normally has no control over these situations and thus cannot, practically speaking, determine any meaning. But probably there is neither a “the audience” that can “determine” anything. The audience likely consists of several elements that create meanings in different ways across space and time.

    Related issues: The author/creator/performer had an intention that they themselves get to decide. But this intention is not universally and necessarily the same as “the meaning of the work”.

    Practically speaking, the purpose of the audience is often to understand the intention of the author/creator.

    Discussions of authorial intent may be useful and interesting: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorial_intent

    • Crackhappy@lemmy.world
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      17 hours ago

      I completely agree with you. A beautiful landscape is only beautiful when we perceive that, not because it’s inherently beautiful. It’s just a collection of mountains trees lakes whatever.

  • Chozo@fedia.io
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    1 day ago

    Both, and also neither. The creator can have their own vision, the collective crowd can have their own, but you as an individual can have an interpretation outside of either of those. And none are any more valid than the rest.

  • Arkouda@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    I argue for the audience for two reasons:

    1. The subjective experience for every individual will be different with any form of art.

    2. The audience is what determines if something is “art”, so without the audience the creator isn’t producing “art”.

  • FaceDeer@fedia.io
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    1 day ago

    There’s a famous literary analysis essay about this, The Death of the Author, that argues for the latter. I happen to strongly believe this view.

    I decide what a work of fiction means to me, and since it’s a work of fiction there is no “higher” meaning than that. Other people can of course present their ideas about what it means, and if I like those ideas I’ll adopt them into my own thoughts on the matter. The creator can be one of those “other people” but he gets no special role in the argument; he has to make his case just like anyone else and I feel free to say “no, that’s dumb. I think it means something else.”

  • theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    The audience, obviously. That’s the majority of people who are going to experience it. Why would I watch anything if I can’t have my own opinions on it?

  • radix@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I don’t remember who said it (so I’m likely butchering the phrase), but I’ve heard that any creative work exists in three forms: The mind of the author, the physical copy, and the mind of the audience.

    For example, a book/story exists as the author intends, as the author writes, and as the reader interprets.

    No one of the three is more “correct” than the other.

  • Carnelian@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Neither, I personally determine the meaning of art. Please feel welcome to ask about any pieces you are unsure of

  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Everybody is welcome to their own meaning, but I think the creators intent should be the only “official” meaning. Just to keep it consistent for historical sake.

  • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Art is built on metaphor, which is an underlying connection between multiple meanings.

    In semantic space, meanings are points while metaphors are vectors.