• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    20 hours ago

    Yeah women could get abortions without being prosecuted by the police, immigrants weren’t harassed consistently by Department that we should never have created,

    Are you… are you fucking taking the piss?

    Now let’s look at the Democrat position 20 years ago and see what the Bill Clinton administration managed to achieve. They managed to get rid of almost all the manufacturing jobs in the United States through NAFTA. Oh that we nearly have the national debt paid off on the sweat and tears and blood of all the money that was clawed from the masses in order to do it.

    … you do remember that 20 years ago was 2005, right?

    Sure I get where you’re coming from that Minority Rights have gotten better kind of but minimum wage hasn’t increased, nobody can afford a house, and nobody can afford to go to school, forget trying to create a business.

    Minority rights getting better is not fucking nothing, Obamacare and Medicaid expansion isn’t fucking nothing, the Dems, since 2000, taking significantly more pro-labor positions than in the Clinton years isn’t fucking nothing, the Dems adopted a 15$ minimum wage in their party platform isn’t fucking nothing, tax credits for first-time home buyers wasn’t fucking nothing, student loan forgiveness wasn’t fucking nothing, proposals for massive investment in subsidies for small businesses and decreasing taxes on small businesses whilst simultaneously increasing taxes on large corporations wasn’t fucking nothing.

    But hey, let’s electorally punish the Dems for changing for the better because it’s not enough, I’m sure that will really rouse voters to become even MORE left-wing!

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      19 hours ago

      Yep let’s continue to burn more people’s Goodwill an energy on electoralism when it’s been shown over and over and over again to give a completely watered-down nigh banded compromises on the problems they promise to fix. That’s so much better and certainly won’t lead to people getting political burnout and political apathy since nothing they’re doing is changing anything.

      Minority rights didn’t get better because of the Democrats. It’s not like they were in charge leading the whole social change to minority rights. That distinct honor goes to various socialists and anticapitalist activists like Fred Hampton, Huey Newton, Malcom X, MLK Jr.

      To be honest on the years I definitely forgot that 2005 which was the Bush Administration by the way, was 20 years ago and the Democrats were more than happy to vote time and time again to bomb the shit out by iraq and Afghanistan, oh and to celebrate all of our privacy in the Patriot Act. It actually makes it easier for me because it’s Democrat position in 2005 less radical than they’re one in the 90s. And majorly increase police budgets which disproportionately have a negative effect on minority communities.

      Now let’s look at the absolutely pathetic compromise that is the ACA. First it imposed major tax penalties on anyone who couldn’t afford Healthcare, secondly the ACA plans put them in competition with other corporate insurance plans and often cost the same, about the only materially good thing the ACA did was get rid of pre-existing denial clauses.

      Oh yes the $8,000 to simulate the Housing Industry offered first time home buyers during the Obama administration. What a wonderful temporary reform. Too bad it doesn’t help anybody today. Kind of interesting that the Democrats wouldn’t do this again during the Biden Administration when housing needed to be stimulated 🤷.

      You know what my favorite part of proposals are? How there’s no material actions that come from these and just how ineffective they are at actually changing things you know since people ignore proposals all the time.

      I’m sorry did you forget that Roe vs Wade was overturned in Bidens Administration? I wonder why the Democrats didn’t do anything about it.

      What else you got?

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        19 hours ago

        Not only is all of that directly incorrect, it comes from a fucking Nazi who supports Ukrainian genocide.

        Get the fuck out of here, Nazi.

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          Hey can you remind me of the history of Azov Brigade?

          Facts are facts. I’m not sure why you think it’s coming from a Nazi who supports the Ukrainian genocide but I’m not sure there is a Ukrainian genocide.

          Maybe we can talk about the actions of Ukraine in the donbas region before Russia’s intervention?

          Fucking idiot. Pick up a history book and a political theory book.

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            19 hours ago

            Hey can you remind me of the history of Azov Brigade?

            Facts are facts. I’m not sure why you think it’s coming from a Nazi who supports the Ukrainian genocide but I’m not sure there is a Ukrainian genocide.

            Maybe we can talk about the actions of Ukraine in the donbas region before Russia’s intervention?

            Fucking idiot. Pick up a history book and a political theory book.

            Imagine, a Nazi repeating all the usual misinformation in defense of fascist imperialism.

            Fuck off, Nazi.

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              Nationalism researcher Andreas Umland wrote that the Azov was created by “an obscure lunatic fringe group of racist activists” and has “a contradictory, if not paradoxical history of cooperation” between organizations involved in its creation

              The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly-continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade

              Maybe you should do a little more reading.🤔

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                19 hours ago

                From your own source:

                According to an analysis published by Foreign Affairs, after the Azov armed formation was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, “the government’s first act was to root out two groups within Azov, foreign fighters and neo-Nazis, by vetting group members with background checks, observations during training, and a law requiring all fighters to accept Ukrainian citizenship.”[79] The fighters who were rooted out were offered the chance to join civilian volunteer corps.[79]

                In March 2015, USA Today interviewed a self-identified Nazi drill sergeant within the group, who said that “no more than half” of his comrades are Nazis and that when the war is over they will march on the capitol to overthrow the Ukrainian government.[217] In the same article a spokesman for the Azov Regiment, disagreed, saying that “only 10% to 20%” of the unit’s 900 members were Nazis, and that this was their personal ideology not the official ideology of the unit.[217]

                Also in March 2015 a Reuters report noted that after the unit’s inclusion in the National Guard, and its receipt of heavier equipment, Andriy Biletsky toned down his usual rhetoric, while most of the extremist leadership had left to focus on political careers in Azov movement formations such as the National Corps party or the Azov Civil Corps.[80]

                In the years immediately following its integration into the National Guard, a number of experts and commentators stated that the radical right-wing ideology associated with the battalion had become more marginal, or that it did not make sense to describe it as a “neo-Nazi” regiment.[306][307][308] Analyst Vyacheslav Likhachev later claimed that the “right-wing radicals” who had remained in the formation after 2014 were “cleaned out” by the new regimental leadership in 2017.[212]

                In March 2018 a former USAID official commented that the real danger was not the original paramilitary group, but the civil movement Azov had spawned.[309] Bellingcat, an investigative journalist group, has traced ties between the Azov movement and American white supremacist groups.[17] Michael Colborne of Bellingcat, writing in Foreign Policy in 2019, called the Azov movement “a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement” with “global ambitions”, citing similarities between the group’s ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[287] In a 2020 Atlantic Council article, Bellingcat’s Oleskiy Kuzmenko wrote that the far right in general significantly damaged Ukraine’s international reputation creating a vulnerability to hostile narratives that exaggerate its role.[17][310]

                In 2019, Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, who had helped found the battalion and overseen its incorporation within the National Guard, claimed that “The shameful information campaign about the alleged spread of Nazi ideology (among Azov members) is a deliberate attempt to discredit the ‘Azov’ unit and the National Guard of Ukraine.”[311]

                I know you love playing apologist for the genocide of the Ukrainian people by parroting “Ukronazi” propaganda literally and directly from the Russian fascists whose boots you so adore, but I reiterate:

                Fuck off, Nazi

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                  Their patch is literally the symbol of the SS.

                  And that doesn’t change the fact that they do subscribe to me and I’ll see ideology just because the state goes to defend them doesn’t mean that it’s not true.

                  See the USSR killed all the Nazis. And insured they felt the weight of their crimes the 11 million dead. I am sure Hitler would be proud of his little Brigade finding itself in an official government Army with no plans on stopping the ideology out.

                  Wonderful.

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                    19 hours ago

                    Nice ‘refutation’ of the quotation of your own source disproving your point.

                    I reiterate:

                    Fuck off, Nazi