ID: Photo of a pink felt heart on a slightly paler pink background, overlaying is stylised text: “make the world a better place punch a nazi in their face”
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i doubt this will invite them to reflect their ideology
Jfc, imagine piping up do defend literal nazis, people who have chosen to follow an ideology dedicated to the extermination of people for who they ARE, and who are actively rounding people up in camps.
Go fuck yourself, collaborator.
Oh, and just fyi:
“Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement“. - Adolf Hitler
just because you can’t deny that punching people in the face makes them not lose their ideology does neither make me a nazi, nor a defender of such
Sounds like the treatment didn’t take, better punch them again.
And this fucker defending them, too…
Nah, now, don’t go all moral absolutism where just because a person isn’t as rabid as you like they’re suddenly an enemy. That’s bullshit thinking.
They didn’t defend a damn thing.
Sorry, all I can hear is gargling boot noises…
Look, fuckstick, there’s a line between someone trying to be reasonable and decent and being a collaborator.
That you don’t see that, that you can’t imagine a world where any viewpoint but your own has validity makes you a fascist too, just not a nazi one.
Get off your fucking high horse, stop fucking with people that are potential allies, and grow the fuck up
There’s no being reasonable with someone that wants you dead, debatelord
Y’all motherfuckers miss the entire point.
It isn’t about whether or not it would do any good, it’s about acting like someone making a fairly normal statement to try non violence first is some kind of new nazi salute. And it’s bullshit.
The dude that made the comment that started all this bandwagon jumping, all they said was try a peaceful route first. That’s it, that’s all. Now, they also said some stupid shit later, but that’s beside the point.
The point is that this bunch of rabid assholes acting like they committed some kind of horrible act, screaming bootlicker like some kind of adolescent mob is just plain shitty.
Someone that obviously objects to the kind of person this meme is about isn’t the fucking enemy. That’s someone you recruit. You bring them in, you acknowledge their intent (at the time of the original comment, like I said, they ended up being a jackass just like the other assholes attacking them blindly), you turn them into an ally.
Do you not get how woefully small the armed left is? We’re the fucking minority. The people the most likely to actually do something, the people already armed, and with strong convictions are absurdly small as a force.
You don’t fucking attack someone that is already against your enemy, you turn them into an asset, you fucking pimple.
I’m not talking about trying to debate nazis, and anyone with half a fucking brain can tell that from my comments.
I’m talking about being fucking realistic and not being the meme that the left is too fucking busy doing this exact shit of attacking each other to ever do anything useful
But, no, of course nobody in this shitty little performative meme community thinks at all. Too busy fucking circle jerking to even actually punch a nazi. You think any of the motherfuckers, including yourself, screaming about collaborators and bootlickers would raise a fucking finger to do something? Fuck no, and that’s been the entire fucking problem with trying to do any fucking thing useful for as long as I’ve been old enough to try. It’s fucking pulling teeth to get anyone to even wave a fucking sign, much less take a real risk.
Fucking pathetic.
lmaooo, “maybe try fighting harder on the marketing place of ideas?! 👉👈🥺”
Fascism can only be stopped by a bullet in the head and a a strong socialist movement exposing their workers appropriating lies
when/where has that worked, if i may ask what you’re referring to?
basically all of (south) eastern europe + all (now ex-)soviet republics until the 1990s
the bullet part: civil war in ussr (the whites were proto-fascist af) and ww2 in the rest of (south) eastern europe
+ fascists were perpetually heavily persecuted by the agencies of state socialism
now the movement part: socialism builds around solving the issues of the working classes first and foremost changing the material basis of society. It provides solutions which take the problem by it’s root (e.g. nor reforming capitalism – which is the root cause of poverty, homelessness, hunger etc. – but eliminating it)
facism (partially) uses a perversion of leftist rhetoric to fool and garner support from working people.
after said state socialisms found their ends, the following bourgeois “democracies” failed to address the needs of working people, allowing for fascist rhetoric to capture the minds of many. and ofc the rigorous persecution stopped too
the former territory of the GDR provides one of the best examples of the combination of the two
western and southern europe (mainly France and Italy; with the exception of Spain, which had a continued fascist presence long after WW2) had momentary violence against fascists, which was not upheld after ww2 (or after the revolution in Portugal’s case), but still had flourishing socialists movements (talking about real socialism, not the french “socialist” party), mainly strong communist parties. after their disintegration in the 90s, fascists had a much easier time and we are seeing the effects today just as well in the rest of euorpe as in Germany
so what, all that nationalist, fascist scum in yugoslavia war in the 90ies just materialized from nothing in no time?
no of course not, but the breakup of Yugoslavia is a special case…
Although you could argue that the SFRY in (especially late) 80s was hardly socialist anymore, since they had to implement exceedingly more wide-reaching reforms dictated by the IMF. Thus giving rise to material conditions which could be exploited by fascists as soon as the strong suppression of fascism stopped (which started much sooner relative to other ex-socialist countries, thanks to said reforms).
Or even that it had stopped being socialist with the beginning of depper implementations of “self-managment socialism” (to judge that is out of the scope of this comment), giving more time for the sentimenrs to foster.
Ofc the sudden rise of fascist and (ultra-)nationalist forces wasn’t only bc of material reasons, even if they fed the spread of it. Culture, questions of ethnicity and nationalism played a huge role for both historical and structural reasons.
Yugoslavia was a multi-ethnic state with deep interwoven ties between it’s peoples. A part (or result or reason for, again out of scope) of that was a either a confused dispersion, or deep regiobal integration of said ethnicities, depending on how you put it.
Here is a map based on the 1981 census
To cut things short, ethnic tension was one of the main problems the '74 constitution tried to solve. It didn’t succeeded, but was able to prolong it’s “explosion” for quite a while.
With the gradual weakining of the central government – aggrevated by Tito’s death – nationalism was allowed to spread or even cultivated inside of the individual republics…
Edit: another thing (aside from western intervwntion ofc) that enabled the dream of unity and brotherhood between the southern slavs to turn into a nightmare:
It’s military doctrine of “Total Defence”
The JNA adopted the concept of total defence (as did a number of other small European and neutral countries). Yugoslavia based its defence doctrine upon the total war concept of “Total People’s Defence” (sh. Opštenarodna odbrana / Općenarodna obrana) which drew upon Yugoslavia’s successful partisan history during the Yugoslav People’s Liberation War during the Second World War. “TND prepared the entire population to contest the occupation of the country and finally to liberate it. The Territorial Defence Forces would mobilize the population for this purpose. The combat readiness of the TDF meant that the steps of organization and training could be bypassed after the start of hostilities. The TDF would supplement the YPA, giving it greater defensive depth and an armed local population ready to support combat actions.” The entire Yugoslav population was to be engaged in armed resistance, armaments production, and civil defence under this concept. It was believed by the Yugoslav planners to be the best method by which a smaller nation could properly defend itself against a much stronger invader, specifically, NATO or the Warsaw Pact.
also:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_defence
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_(Yugoslavia)
yet another reason was the liberlization of religious policies which led to more freedom for the catholic church and of muslim organizations, which fostered nationalistic oppition in both Croatia and Bosnia
(those are the instances I know of, might be that religious orgs of other beliefs did the same and/or additionaly in the other republic)
Edit1: writing this comment made me wanna rewatch the following video: History of Yugoslavia through music ♪♫.
It always manages to make me tear up, especially “Samo da rata ne bude” at 12:30 which practically devestates me. every. fucking. time. after that still but less soHere is the full version with eng translation: “Samo da rata ne bude” - Yugoslav Anti-War Song [Just let there be no war]
Makes me feel better though!
ok, but isn’t the goal the end of fascism?
They didn’t reason themselves into fascism they’re not going to reason their way out either.
well, most of them do. they are often fed false info, get preached bullshit (racism, etc) “reasoning” and yeah, they fall for it. but the only way out for them is people taking them (and their thoughts) seriously, taking them by the (proverbial) hand and leading them back
Good luck with that, liberal.
