Fuck’s sake
Next you’ll tell me they’re wearing pointy white “balaclavas”.
ICE is already wearing non-pointy ones to hide their faces while they illegally detain people.
Makes sense, they don’t want to be pointed out from a lineup for just following orders.
No names, no unit numbers, no way to definitively recognize any given individual at a glance?
So… hypothetically… someone who’s not part of one of the active units, but who has the uniform, the ability to act the part, and the information required to make it happen, might be able to blend in with the oppressors during a military operation? Hmm.
o but pfft don’t listen to me. I’m just a wild-talking stoner with ADHD
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If someone’s got all that, then they’re active military members. Also, the squadron would instantly recognize you as a new face and you’d suddenly become the center of attention within minutes. Even if you have a convincing story, everyone wants to know where you sit in the chain of command. Hell, the way civilians stand would make you stick out.
This comment is a delight.
So, they are considered unlawful combatants? And therefore do not get the protections afforded under the Geneva Conventions, right?
Right?
Talk about jumping 4 steps down the road.
They are uniformed. No global convention or agreement mandates those elements be on a uniform. The nametag, unit patch, and other items on the uniform are just ways that force happens to enhance identification within the unit.
They are identified as uniformed members of a military force. This satisfies the convention.
None of this matters or applies at all given that there is no combat occurring that would fall under the Geneva convention. So they could be plain clothes officers and it wouldn’t apply.
Trump is a sack of dog turds, and what he is doing is largely stupid speed run overreach, but this hyperbolic shit just harms credibility of the already massive list of shit he is violating.
Hey gang, I’m very closely related to this field and wanted to share some insight into this!
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations. The idea is not to cover up inhumane tactics, but protect our personnel. While I’m sure a majority of these individuals are simple illegal immigrants who have no ill intentions, there are criminal gangs being caught up in this. Not the entire gang is being picked up, just the illegal immigrants. So the policy of removing identification from the uniforms is to protect the military member and their family.
These commands come from the highest level, meaning each individual service member is not making the decision for themselves, but they are being commanded as a whole. Much as some might not like the connotations associated with this, it is a common practice and relevant due to the stated purpose of these missions.
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.
Maybe it shouldn’t be. You know, what with accountability being a thing that people should be held to…
Should an airman’s family be targeted by cartels because they flew cartel members back to their home nation?
Not wearing nametapes has been a thing for decades, long before Trump was president.
I think the main problem people are having is that they are being used to enforce domestic policy within the United States, which is not normal at all and is arguably illegal.
Ok so you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.
What does the percent of people in the picture being in the service have to do with anything…? We’re talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.
Are you purposely being obtuse, or are you really this dumb?
And yes, I can spot the Air Force personnel… I’ve spent 18 years living on AFB all over the country and abroad, my dad was a SMSgt.
That would probably be a lot easier if they didn’t remove all of their patches. Huh…
Not really considering they’re wearing multicams.
Oh right, I forgot that if you are in the Air Force, that is the only possible way you can dress at all times. Never does anyone in the Air Force ever wear anything other than that.
Maybe it shouldn’t be. You know, what with accountability being a thing that people should be held to…
That makes it ok? Are you mad? Like someone else said you are a brownshirt
I also served and you defending this is fucking pathetic
Seriously, what is a brownshirt?
The paramilitary arm of the Nazis, also known as SA, doing all the protection of events and members, harassment and killings of persecuted minorities and concurrent parties while it was not in power yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
But the situation is different now because you’re part of the official organization with the official power :/
That explains it, thank you!
Wouldn’t it not be so different, since I’m not part of the official organization? Just tangential?
Yeah, you’re actually closer to that initial situation, so the comparison is even more apt
It boggles my mind you are military adjacent and do not know this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
I’m not very good with history. I know the broad strokes, but I’ve forgotten a lot of this kind of history. It hasn’t been relevant in my line of work, so doesn’t get easily remembered.
That link does explain the reference, though, thank you!
It could not possibly be more relevant in your line of work than it is right now.
Do you know what their line of work is, or are you saying it applies to everyone?
I’d say it is important to everyone, especially if you are American.
See the top comment.
They always have another option: walk away.
That is literally not an option for a very large majority of these service members. That’ll be an Article 15 for sure, maybe a courtmartial.
Resigning ones commission is exactly the type of meaningful protest that is needed. Nazis soldiers got pay and retirement benefits as well but tough things are tough to do. It sorta cracks me up because you say literally not an option and then present the very literal options they have.
Yes, the people made to assist the Nazis in the 1930s/40s had to make some tough decisions too.
They executed Nazis who were “just following orders.”
Rightfully so.
No, they executed Nazis for operating death camps.
They did not execute for “just following orders”, aka Nuremberg Defense.
As it turns out, soldiers in all militaries follow orders every day without being executed.
Unless you’re going to explain how removing a unit patch and name tag, or transporting people to their country of origin is worthy of execution, I’m not sure that you have an argument.
Taking an Article 15 or court-martial instead of participating in massive civil rights violations not only absolutely is an option, but it’s the only ethical one!
Fuck the brownshirts and people like you arguing for accepting these things as normal. I hope you burn in hell.
Anyone participating in this deserves to be courtmarshalled and executed.
What is brownshirt?
Courtmarshall is probably not what you want in this. That’s specific to the UCMJ, which would discipline them for NOT removing identifiers. You probably want them to go through civilian courts if that’s your goal. Which probably means you’re thankful for Trump’s push for increased executions.
What is brownshirt?
People like you are why we’re repeating history
What is brownshirt?
Wow, shocker.
What’s your favorite film? Starship Troopers? Go back to reddit.stormfront.
This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.
No, no it’s not. Maybe when operating in dangerous missions while deployed overseas… While working on American soil? No.
None of the other branches being ordered to do similarly sketchy quasi unconstitutional work have removed their identifiers, none of the other branches have opted to classify the work they are doing.
The Air Force has a pretty well known history of racism, rape, and Christian nationalist in their command structure. Out of all the branches it doesn’t surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump’s orders.
Out of all the branches it doesn’t surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump’s orders.
I’m not sure how you can imply that you’re familiar with how the military operates and then say something as ignorant as this.
All branches of the military “fall over themselves” to follow the orders of the President. That’s literally how the chain of command works.
Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it’s incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.
What do you picture the alternative to be? That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?
Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?
Or, maybe explain how you would handle the order as an enlisted soldier?
Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it’s incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.
They are going above and beyond the assignment of the mission. As I said, the other branches have received similar orders but have made what they are doing public, and have not decided to operate anonymously.
That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?
Did I criticize the airman? No, I specifically criticized their command.
Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
That’s literally how the chain of command works.
No, it isn’t. Supremacy lays with the constitution. Befehl ist Befehl isn’t a valid defense.
No, no it’s not.
Yes it is, those are Fly Away Security Teams (FAST) or Ravens. Go look it up, 95% of the official Air Force photos of FAST/Raven show people without nametapes, example taken from here.
Furthermore:
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I can just take my top off if it’s not too hot. My t-shirt does not have a nametape
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I can just buy a nametape that says “Smith” or something common and you wouldn’t know the difference.
And how often are they operating on American soil…?
24/7
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.
Possie Comitatus has nothing to do with aircraft security.
Who said anything about aircraft security…?
They are being ordered to enforce domestic policy on us soil, which is exactly what the law is made to prevent.
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We’re just trying to hide our identity while committing crimes acting on orders from the Criminal in Chief because all of our white robes and hoods turned pink due to a MAGA cap that somehow ended up in the wash.
Got it.
Fly Away Security Teams/Ravens haven’t been wearing nametapes for decades, this is nothing new.
This is what they say about riot police in oppressive regimes, about prison personnel, about people from special agencies doing surveillance and even arrests.
I think you can see where I’m going. Removing identification is more harmful than the threat to “the military member and their family”.
to clarify you are saying this is is so a random airman’s kids aren’t targeted by the cartels because they flew some cartel members back?
That’s the general idea, yes.
I get what you’re saying, if this was a hollywood “Carry-on” kinda movies. But, something doesn’t pass the smell test.
Why would a gang target a service member performing a deportation flight to another country? What benefit could they receive from being exposed going after a private who’s just guard duty on a plane? If it’s just a, “there’s no benefit, they’re just evil and target people for fun” I would need some actual evidence of something like this being done and the procedures put into place after to just trust any ol’ internet stranger proclaiming subject knowledge.
The idea is not to cover up inhumane tactics, but protect our personnel
No, its just to cover up crimes against humanity. Let’s be real here, and yes, I was also an aircraft crewmember.
The best way to protect them is to not put them there in the first place, for a law enforcement operation.
https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Air-Force-Senior-Leaders/
Pick one. Assign blame.
Gary Ashworth was the first name i saw and he has a very punchable face
I agree, but James Slife looks more like the fall guy.
Same thing they did when beating up and shooting BLM.
Edit: It’a really hard to find any report on the events during the BLM protests. I distinctly remember many mentions of the LEOs involved in shooting “rubber bullets” at protesters and beating them not having any identifying information on them. No names, no agency tags, nothing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badges-protests/index.html
Wasn’t it like that for several days, nobody even knew who is abducting people from the street?
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The reenactment would be more convincing if they arranged the aircraft to look like train cattle cars and packed the deportees more tightly inside.
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So like a secret police force? Hmmm where have I heard that term before…
