Something having an X-Wing pic keeps out a lot of people too, cause not everyone likes Star Wars. What’s your point?

If you’ve seen suckless tools, the whole point is that they are rudimentary. DWM is one header file and one source code file of ~2k lines.

It’s not lazy because having a config file wouldn’t add anything to using those things, and it’s not elitism or gross because it’s not hard for those who understand why’d they use suckless tools at all. It also contributes to atmosphere.

FFS, please stop trying to press other people to do things your way, that’s what’s gross.

Linux is built on the foundation of cooperation and mutual aid

It’s very dangerous to make casual users and activists and someone like me equal to people doing actual work.

As demonstrated by RedHat-fed activists abusing that equality again and again, making “the community” appear what RedHat wants it to be.

Besides, if we ever hope for “the year of Linux desktop” to be a real thing, we have to be inviting.

You know who’s not being inviting? Microsoft and Apple. The former just informs you that the PCs you can buy come with Windows that version, the latter just shows how damn fscking important and rich you’ll look if you buy their stuff.

The problems are all technical (with “user-friendliness” and “just works” movement as it exists contributing to them and not solving them), if they didn’t exist, nobody would care that the community is grumpy.

Yes, they will have dumb and silly questions. Yes, many of such quesrions have already been answered before, and yes, they could have searched better.

It’s fine to be dumb and ask questions, but with Unix-likes it’s somehow common that newbies first ask for advice, then get it, then react with “that’s dumb, should have been done like in Windows” and that tends to irritate people. And sometimes they want to do things the hard way, but blame the system for them lacking knowledge to do that.

If we want for all our favorite programs and games to finally become Linux native, if we want to ensure Linux experience becomes smooth, if we don’t want to be seen as a community of red-eyed nerds, we need all those people in.

Something is wrong. Amateur radio and in general knowing stuff about radio being associated with a “community of red-eyed nerds” was a fact, but never prevented people from using radio in the 90s and 80s. Most people can’t do electric design for their apartment, yet they use electricity.

And there’s no detriment to this greater than constant infighting and elitism, than forcing people to bury down the wikis instead of providing useful support, and so on.

So why don’t BSDs have that problem?

That’s a rhetorical question, because in BSDs they don’t slap layers of layers of tools intended to make things “easier” and parallel ways to do the same. Linux user-friendliness movement is doomed in the way that it’s not aimed at making kernel interfaces and basic tooling simpler, it aims at making graphical and scripted slap-ons that make things kinda work. All with different logic, taking the nerves out of newbies, and at the same time those newbies can’t exactly tell what’s wrong.

And infighting and elitism are because it’s hard for everyone to admit they are all wrong, all sides. The “elitist” side, because yep, newbies shouldn’t struggle with setting up sound where in BSDs that’s kinda easy, for example. The “newbie-friendly” side, because they are focusing on the wrong thing.

The development process is the problem. Both with the kernel and the userland and with major DEs.

Do you follow the same principle when seeing anti-vaxxer posts en masse? Or any other fillers?

I usually answer a few questions with advice and then leave, when the op genuinely just uses other people as ChatGPT. But I understand those who start making jokes.

It’s hard making things simple, it requires research with focus groups, constant testing, firm guidelines based on the results.

They’ve done a lot of that in the middle 90s to middle 00s, when after things moving fast most GUIs were so atrocious it was just necessary. Thus classic Windows versions and classic MacOS (till 9) and Amiga Workbench and even Windows XP are very usable. Even OpenLook and Motif are not so bad.

Today we have a lot of network effects and inability to just drop something we hate to use, thus the market incentive for a similar widespread optimization of GUIs doesn’t form.

So - both KDE and Gnome today are horrible, but Gnome folks are at least trying very hard. I generally like KDE more, but their ergonomics were always overloading me as an ASD person to the degree of being exhausted by 15 minutes of using it.

Gnome is less overloading, but - use of titlebars to show custom controls for every application is good for wow-effect, but bad when you want to expect only one function from titlebar in every application. And the paradigm of Windows taskbar or Motif icons or something else for hidden windows being indicated and immediately accessible is good. If they don’t like taskbars, they could add something like iconbox in TWM or old FVWM or such. And a more Spartan (like usual) application menu.

TLDR, between imitating Apple/touchscreen UIs and ergonomics Gnomers have to make a compromise, or pick one lane. Right now it’s quite irritating when in some place they pick the latter and in some the former.

He wasn’t “progressive” in any real form. It was just a good brand when he became Pope.

I wouldn’t expect the “progressive” part to change rapidly up or down in the Latin church.

Just one mafia boss being replaced with a successor. Not big news.

The biggest barrier to widespread adoption is the portion of the toxic parts of the general community.

You should be careful with that. Because what exactly are those toxic parts, when deciding upon strategy of fighting against them, might be understood differently.

That’s why most elitists on Linux spaces don’t know WTF they are talking about, but the elitists who deed have been pressed out earlier.

Also I really don’t see any problem with pointing someone to a place in a well-written manual. After answering a few simple questions, of course, and seeing that they don’t understand hints that all this is documented specifically to avoid annoying other people.

You need to edit a C header file used as a config file, and run make and use the resulting executable file. That hardly keeps out anyone.

At the same time DWM is very convenient, and so was WMII.

I understand these people lack power elsewhere in their lives and want to be powerful where they believe themselves to be experts, but it’s a real pity they express it with a complete lack of empathy.

You seem bitter.

There are two kinds of Linux elitists - 1) those who know nothing, but have recently discovered Unices and think they are all-powerful and there’s the right way to go and simple solutions and everything is clear, and the future is bright, 2) those who are tired to rephrase the manuals and want newcomers to sometimes think why they don’t expect Russinovitch-level knowledge of Windows internals from other normal usual Windows users, but with Linux every stupid thing they want to do should be baby-fed to them down to that deep level.

I really hate the first kind, it’s the type who think making yet another “nice wallpapers” Ubuntu-based distribution makes them cooler than me, or that Wayland is already good enough for everything and my arguments that there’s no FVWM under Wayland should be disproved by myself doing my own google search, and so on.

The second kind is normal for every area of human existence. You don’t have to know everything, but also nobody owes you accepting you as equal to those who do, or your opinion, and nobody owes you the benefits of knowledge, and nobody owes you making things work the exact way you want.

TLDR - community members are as valuable as their contributions. If someone’s contribution is reposting Nixie Pixel videos (or whatever is their alternative now), then no matter how “not elitist and nice” they are, they are not very useful compared to those with knowledge. But if someone’s being elitist without any knowledge (as is typical among Arch Linux users), then maybe they are even less valuable.

They were led half by people believing in magic and half by people preparing their own golden parachutes and life somewhere in Argentina.

This is about the same as Russia’s attempt to play caesar since 2022.

Ah, yes. I’ll add to this that she shouldn’t be a sadistic torturer and probable murderer (just thinking of my first love).

It’s as democratic as democratic gets on that scale.

That’s kinda sad.

Any girl

EU is not democratic. EU’s ruling entities are formed by governments of member countries. Which are supposedly democratic.

And about never voted through - sometimes putting pressure is enough.

due to conflicting, dated, or missing documentation.

Oh, let’s all use FreeBSD then. Please? Please?

Yes, I meant they are relatives and a lot of D’s are often similar between relatives. RFK Jr’s ideas, but JFK’s sister getting lobotomized for behavior that might come with ASD too.

But I can tell you my uncles and ancestors who were farmers, engineers, etc (extremely conservative men too) - dont like how ASD is a disorder. “Back in our day we called that an engineer.”

Yes, that’s a bit like my aunts resist putting ASD and my grandpa into one sentence.

Also they are too somewhat conservative, and the reaction to a single F-word in a good article was textbook autistic. Similarly to how I buy a bottle of some soda, not seeing the “pieces of something” small text (pieces themselves are almost invisible), and then try to drink it and spit it out.

but given that JFKs sister was lobotomized for being too promiscuous and California had a mass eugenics program until the 50s we won’t know.

I’ll dare suggest that RFK himself seems autistic a lot. With the absolute idiocy my father believed about ASD, I think RFK’s ideas might be a result of some childhood trauma connected to that diagnosis.

I think in that culture money follows social appreciation, not value. And that is connected to obedience and ritual. It’s as if his work in those decades was service as it should be, then he committed a sacrilege.

And he’s low in hierarchy. Asians love hierarchies.

I don’t know. Maybe that work ethic is wrong, in most manga\anime I’ve seen characters struggle against it, and then maybe deliver through pure genius outside it, only to be appreciated as “barely did it”.

But they have a point too about erosion. I see it everywhere.

FreeBSD ports with distfiles for things really necessary, with dependencies. I guess that would fit in 1TB and leave some for ebooks and music.

Also software RAID is not Frankensteiny at all, neither are storage clusters of Ceph or alternatives.

What those things necessary would encompass, I don’t know. I suppose similar to Slackware full installation.

It would all make little sense without the Internet. You’d suddenly find that a year 1995 machine, one year older than me, and a few friendly BBSes are not as unrealistically small as they seem now.

It’s no different than shredding or burning paper files.

Both are normal if you work with information you wouldn’t like to leak. Or something very personal.

They are that thing you said only if they are unusual for the circumstance. When that gives information that a person did something not normal.

Because that’s a sign of something, kinda similar to shaking hands and missing shovel and sudden lack of time for guests.

Encrypting everything on Internet-connected machines is not unusual. It’s perfectly normal. It’s f* obligatory.

Encryption is also criminal in some contexts, like encrypted radio broadcasts on frequencies for public use.

Because that’s almost jamming, if everyone could broadcast all they can, nobody could use those frequencies. And since you have to make space there, private transmissions probably belong somewhere else. Doesn’t matter when using wire. This is irrelevant to encryption.

It definitely belongs as a talking point in a courtroom, imo.

No it doesn’t. Even if someone suddenly started encrypting everything, no. Maybe they learned how the world works and decided to learn to do it just in case.