• zanyllama52@infosec.pubEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Where and when was this decided by the Indigenous people of North America?

    I’m interested to learn more about this. I’ve never heard this name when I studied the history of North America,

  • geogeogeo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I’m all for finding a middle ground, which is why I will call it the Gulf of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Or Gulf of C.U.M. for short.

      • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        The assholes are trying to retake Denali from the indigenous people after we finally gave it back.

          • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Yeah, it was named Mount McKinley during that presidents candidacy, even though he never saw the mountain.

            Then the during President Obama’s second term, they renamed it to the most popular/common name the indigenous peoples used, Denali

            Now it’s already back to Mt. McKinkey, because Trump has a hard-on for both robber barons like McKinley, and undoing Obama’s work.

  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Not for the same reasons, but “also no, sorry. Still going with Gulf of Mexico.”

    I can meet you halfway and pronounce Mexico correctly, but that is beyond my abilities and I’m not ashamed to admit it lol.

  • multifariace@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    You are doing it the wong way. The wight way to do it is to acknowledge the victory of the colonizers. Take Denali for example.

    • SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I’m not up to speed on this I guess. I thought bringing back the name Denali was a good thing. Is there some more to the story that I’m missing?

  • m4m4m4m4@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I really wish we could actually “rename” places as their original indigenous names across all America(s). For example my country had an internal turmoil just to keep the original name of its capital city because we love our native people, and yet we keep the incredibly stupid name of “Land of Colon” (imho most probably the most stupid name of any country, ever) because fuck our native people.

    • SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I like that we call it Denali nowadays instead of Mount McKinley. I’m all for this.

      Now if I could just get South Dakota to issue me a new license plate without those faces carved into the mountain…

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Like, just the most recent indigenous names, or from one of them before that? It seems arbitrary to fixate on just one civilization just to avoid fixating on exactly one other.

      • m4m4m4m4@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I mean, not that there have been tons of successive civilizations around here, so… And yet if that was the case, you’ll need to take in account that oral lore may have had a hand in the names of places, so it’s mostly improbable that a place has had completely different names with each civilization.

  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    2 months ago

    If we want to rename things (Mexico was a LOT larger in the olden times) why don’t we call it “Gulf of the Americas?”

    Oh because it doesn’t support imperial single minded nationalism and isn’t USA centered

    • double_quack@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      America is a continent, not a country. “Americas” is as correct as “Europes”. But certainly those who decided to call it gulf of america are not aware of that.

    • Salamander@mander.xyzMEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Hah, sure, let’s investigate 🕵️‍♂️

      The term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user ‘Mxn’.

      The description of the edit is the following:

      Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic

      If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in the spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl

      This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in September 16, 2018. I don’t have access to the citation so I don’t know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.

      If you check the history you will find that the same ‘Mxn’ fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.

      So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico.

      I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.

      I find it highly unlikely that:

      • User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago AND
      • This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media

      More likely…

      • Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
      • Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme

      And this concludes my little investigation 🧐

  • qyron@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I’m on board with that.