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Summary
Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.
Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.
During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.
The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”
The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.
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Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin
And his most heroic act was not punching the old fart in the teeth
Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero
He’s far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024
“In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers”
Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law
Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia
Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics
The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]
Recruitment of prisoners
Implementation
It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]
On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a “hidden mobilization.” According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, “Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war.”[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the “only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that.”[96]
Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.
When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others
In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.
So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?
Didn’t like, every country do the draft in WW2 and it was barely enough to defeat the Nazis?
Just about every country, yes. A few remained neutral, but there weren’t very many comparatively.
He’s not a hero lol
Wait, are you upset your favourite orange sack of shit is the laughing stock of the world, while Zelenskyy is unanimously praised?
Aw.
lol then go move to Ukraine if you wanna suck him so badly dawg
I know that’s very natural for you to go around sucking off every man with a raised voice, but I’m not a republican, I don’t do that. Thanks for the offer, you do you.
Oh okay. You must only suck tranny dick
Man, you just can’t stop thinking about sucking dicks, huh. Lol
Yeah yeah, just go pay rent and shut up
Most people would have taken the ride offer out of Kiev in 2022. That alone made him a hero. This new incident just adds even more to his hero status
Edit: Not you specifically, just in general.
He’s not a hero lol
He is a hero lol
lol if you honestly believe that, that’s ur issue
lol if you honestly don’t believe that, that’s ur issue
Yeah I’ll believe that sitting in the house I own. Go pay rent
And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.
Then he cut off all aid to Ukraine for rebuilding their power grid.
Yup, i saw that too. What a fucking petulant child
A petulant child *operating at the behest of a foreign dictator. This whole Stupid Show he’s put on around Ukraine has proven he has Putin’s dick so far up his ass that it does all the talking for him.
You’ll never convince your typical Trump voter that it’s true is the main fucking issue though.
I don’t think you have to. Plenty of them see Putin as the “strong leader” they want.
America is an enemy to freedom, democracy, and peace to the world; Americans just haven’t felt it yet.
They will soon when the dictatorship turns violent, after all checks and balances are removed.
Transgender Americans and other minority groups are feeling it for sure. It’s just not the white suburban traditional family Americans who have felt the pinch yet (aside from the price of eggs).
Yeah, as i canadian I hope the petition is signed to allow trans folk to claim refugee status goes somewhere
As an American, We felt it the first time he was in office. And Bush, and so many other times before. This time is different. It’s unhinged and there’s no end in sight. And the scary part is that a large portion of people here apparently WANTED this. Some of them are silent now, some are attempting to amp it up further and no one I know that voted for this feels any thing is wrong.
There are changes being made on a whim with an axe that will take decades or longer to be rectified and lots that never could be. I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country I live in as I do now and I know it will get worse… much worse. Buckle up folks, it’s going to be a bump ride and Disney didn’t write this tale so there’s no happily ever after.
And I’m reminding everyone to GO VOTE!
I’ve never felt as disappointed and ashamed of the country
Most intelligent and decent people are ashamed or embarrassed of the U.S. today.
As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is “gambling with WWIII,” but it sure ain’t Zelenskyy.
Trump’s Hot Take: If someone breaks into your home, begins stealing stuff and murdering your family, just stand by. You don’t want to cause a stir.
Trump’s Hot Take: Give me half your stuff and I’ll help you stop that other thief/murderer.
It’s a great deal because he’s gonna take everything.
He’s specifically saying he won’t help them stop Russia he’s saying he’ll help a cease fire which Russia always breaks, legit I don’t know of a single cease fire Russia has ever honored.
Even with Sweden they’d lose make peace then try again
Yeah and when you go to take that deal, he and his little brother berate you, blame you for being the victim, and tell you the deal’s off.
+100
Anyone who thought this would work out differently was simply not paying attention or was being willfully ignorant.
US provided a deal Zelinsky simply could not sign and they knew it. Chump set Zelinsky up for this shit show cause, in his world, Chump either gets the deal he wants or he gets to act/look tough.
And how masculine/tough to have Couchie there backing him up cause Chump isn’t brave enough to do it all on his own.
And, of course, all concludes with disastrous results all around.
🤦♀️ 🖕 🖕 🤡
US gets to be the Nazis this time.
Are we taking turns or…?
Trump wants zelenaky to take peace at any cost… Zelenaky won’t take that offer and wants assurances. Trump insults him as a war monger who wants ww3??
God what an example of political double speak. Trump is a lying idiot and he’s the one gambling with ww3
Someone is “gambling with WWIII,
Could it be the deranged wanna-be dictator/mobster, and associates, who want to seize Canada, Greenland and Panama?
I checked a few parts for a few minutes. It was too painful to watch.
Troomp and JD couch showed the worst traits leaders could have. The obvious ones are the American superiority complexes and the toxic need to escalate and talk down upon others.
In all of the bits I saw when skipping trough it, Zelenksy deescalated the situation multiple times while Trump and especially Vance escalated and started talking like some pretentious teenager bullies that gotten themselves a country.
Fuck the USA.
The only thing missing was Trump shouting “hold me back bro!” and pretending Vance was holding him back.
As an American, fuck the USA.
As a Canadian, fuck the US eh
Fuck the USA.
Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?
The USA has shown over and over, it’s the only thing we take seriously. We don’t give a fuck until you have nukes. We don’t care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just “how can we take advantage of you?”
Also … World, I understand you’re not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.
Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, “except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.”
So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn’t do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.
What is SeasFire?
A ceasefire?
Oof. That’s a hell of a case of “bone-apple tea” if I’ve ever heard one. It undermines the credibility of the whole comment.
It’s too hard. Yeah, we understand the required specs, but the precision machines and rare ores are internationally monitored. Tom Clancy’s The Sum of All Fears was eye opening as to what the terrorists had to go through to make a single bomb. And it fizzled into a “normal” atom bomb.
And I’m not even talking about the experts involved, a physics degree ain’t gonna get it. The precision machining for the tooling alone is mind blowing, then you gotta fab the actual parts. Again, you’re not getting people like that in a room with a LinkedIn ad, and it would be noticed, very noticed, if you tried.
Now if you want to skip 3-stage hydrogen bombs and just roll an atom bomb, still tough, but much more doable.
tl;dr: The nuclear powers would come down on you like a ton of bricks if a country even tried starting a program. See: Iran.
What you say feels right, and it is breaking my heart
Prof. John Mearshmeyer have been talking about great power’s expansionism and it’s relation to nuclear armament since at least 2015.
As an American,
Shows his worst self
His honest self
which is just the worst.
There is no other self. This is what he is.
Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”
Word
I can’t wait for Trump to die
I’m not American but wouldn’t that mean Vance becomes president? It’s tempting to think he couldn’t be any worse, but trump likes the fucker so who knows?
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I can’t wait for Trump to die
DANGER Will Robinson! we can’t threaten people here, not even oompaloompas.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’m not a great shot, but at 130m firing from a prone position I would have made that shot 9 times out of 10. Heck, I had my family on the range firing a diemaco c7 (the colt Canada ar15) as part of a family appreciation day in my home guard company. They hadn’t shot more than an air rifle before, and after about three rounds each they shot killing shots at a silhuet at 200m.
How that guy could miss is beyond me. Almost like it was intentional.
Oh shit. I just got here. I see Lemmy is dangerously woke too. Wishing someone to die is rather nasty. I do agree putting that on tv was stupid, world leaders should do all their negotiating (bickering) behind closed doors.
I someone blows up a thousand people themselves they are a murderer and its socially acceptable to want them punished. If someone causes thousands of deaths in politics or business we should somehow respect it?
Hoping someone dies is the last thing left after morality is already dead.
I’m not sure what you are stating. I have watched ‘all quiet on the western front’ and remember being sickened by the bigwigs procrastinating over the leave treaty while every second people were dying. Great movie by the way. War fkn sucks.
Russia started the war in Ukraine, so it seems like it is entirely Russia’s fault and Russia should end it, no?
Not addressing the rest of the comment, but ”world leaders should discuss everything behind closed doors” is a dangerously shortsighted take. You do realize their job is to represent you, right? How do you think you can verify they are doing that if you are not allowed to see and hear what’s being said?
May the door hit your Nazi ass on the way out, scum
Then go back to Reddit.
I would love to, sadly they only accept your kind over there. I am surprised to see you here, reddit us so much more intuitive. I font know why you would be here by choicez you are kidding out on a perfect echo chamber for you over there.
I would love to, sadly they only accept your kind over there.
You got banned from nazi digg for being too far to the right, and you thought that lemmy would be more hospitable?
Well, I hope you get outta here too because you are not accepted
I thought you LGBTQ were supposed to be accepting?
Accepting of who?
LGBTQ is surprisingly unaccepting towards bigots. And I find that pretty accepting because I am not a bigot.
We are. We do not, however, support fascists, those who are ok with mocking the disabled, grifters, those who are ok with intentionally misgendering others, those who support the marginalization of minorities, people that support the sale of our country to the highest bidders, etc. You support these a-holes and what they are doing to us and this country, therefore, you will not find much acceptance from a good many of us.
I’m not LGBTQ (although I respect them), sorry I’m just very upset with Trump and how much of a horrible person he is, or, more broadly, what the republican party is right now, I really wanted someone like Bernie who seems to actually be a good person, in power
No one should accept bigots.
When you aren’t going to be accepted here either so…
Ugh. Ok. If you lot are as nice and accepting as you like to claim, could you point me in the direction of a website with normal people to talk to then? Cheers.
Try Truth Social. I hear that is the place for head-in-the-sand, delusional, can-not-form-a-coherent thought, group-think individuals who worship at the feet of the 🍊 💩 bag.
I could have done without the paragraph of insults, but overall, cheers for pointing me in (hopefully) the right direction to find some sanity on the internet.
You don’t want to talk to normal people. You want to talk to other bigots.
Man life must be so fucking easy for you to never feel threatened by politicians. It’s all just a big TV show in your eyes isn’t it?
Holy hell no. Politicians start wars and send innocent people to their deaths. It’s no joke.
Better woke than a fucking conservative chud.
We are woke and bang hot liberal chicks. You are an incel and masturbate to anime and the fantasy of having a tradwife, a fantasy that will never materialize. We are not the same.
It was put on TV on purpose to make Zelensky look weak and make the US look strong (it’s called propaganda) and so daddy Vlad can see that Trump is a good boy.
I can happily confirm that the woke mind virus is alive and well on Lemmy.
I just can’t understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be “alpha and in-charge”.
It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.
Because they went in wanting to find a way to make Zelenskyy seem unreasonable. They have no intention of helping Ukraine at all and now it’s going to be because he didn’t immediately kiss Trumps feet.
It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.
That’s not a coincidence.
He didn’t, he was just saying that it was disrespectful cause he wanted to show what a good little bitch he is.
Love how the guy who said “I’ll make up whatever stories I need to” told Zelenskyy, after being asked if he’s seen what Ukraine is going through: “Oh I haven’t personally been there but I’ve seen stories.”
Stories from where, vice couch-humper? RT News?
CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.
They really need to step in here, before Putin moves into the white house permanently
The CIA is in the business of installing despots, not removing them.
AFAIK, it’s not clear if the CIA ever killed a president.
They surely gave guns and taught other people how to do it. But I don’t think they ever did it themselves.
They generally just overthrew the government and called it a day.
Brings up memories of the South Park episode of the CIA or FBI where the boys found out the organization was trying to project themselves to be more powerful than they actually are, and intentionally wanting people to believe scary rumors about them.
My take on it is if that’s what we can find out about these clandestine orgs then the truth is almost certainly at least slightly more incriminating. I dont trust them to tell or record the truth when they can’t even pass an audit.
I don’t know exactly how to put this, but I feel personally embarrassed by this.
I think this is going to shift world order more than expected. Every country now must be nuclear. Trump is going to try to install himself as a dictator. I think violence will have to be the answer. Man it’s depressing.
I’m pissed. There was always a simple answer. Freeze the front line and make it clear to Putin that Ukraine is now their version of Taiwan. They could keep trying to attack but the Ukrainians are now backed by the full might of the American military. They can keep what they already have but anything else is a step too far.
Yeah it’s possible Zelensky doesn’t go for that deal but damn, they didn’t even try for the simplest option that stops the fighting, gets the payments Trump so desperately wants and guarantees Ukraine’s security. They literally just presented an extortion scheme as the only option, with “trust me bro” as the guarantee.
And if, let’s say he did go for it, they’d sell him out anyway. We freaking know it.
i bet their plan is to go into places already ravaged by the war, look for valuable mining opportunities, if not, trump branded fuckin cesspools. they don’t even care if there ARE valuable mining deposits.
Oh Trump isn’t looking for anything. He just wants Ukraine to ship us rare earths instead of adding the decades old refinery tech back into the US minerals sector.
That’s the best part of this whole thing by the way. We do have plenty of rare earths accessible in the US. We even have all the raw material mines we would require. They’re just being lazy.
yeah, rare earths are a misnomer - they are not rare, they are not highly concentrated in one spot. if the price goes up, exploiting other deposits becomes worthwhile. damn, there is a deposit in Kärnten / Austria that is just not yet profitable to develop; thats an area where mining goes back centuries.
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/to-president-zelenskyy-from-embarrassed-americans
Here’s an apology letter you can sign if you want
There can be absolutely zero doubt that Trump is a Russian stooge
The world understands now that he will Parrott the ideas of whoever spoke to him last. Starmer and Macron tried to right the ship and they did for 24 hours. Unfortunately, Putin has people on the inside. Tulsi Gabbard chief among them, feeding Trump a steady diet of Bullshit the Russian bots would embarrassed to type.
He doesn’t have to be Russian stooge to be evil, and to behave like one too
All his assets are tied in Russian money. It’s not even hidden
Also Turkish and Israeli money. These are well interconnected with Russian money, but I think that triad and Russia specifically should be treated as different things.
Turkye is moving against Russia though. They overthrew Assad, a close ally of Russia. And they have sold drones to Ukraine, and trapped the Russian Black sea fleet.
A collapse of Russian power in the Caucus leaves them as top dog in the area. They have a lot to gain from a Russian loss in Ukraine.
Turkye is moving against Russia though. They overthrew Assad, a close ally of Russia.
All while Russia made no move to help him, other than, of course, accepting him in Moscow.
And they have sold drones to Ukraine,
Selling weapons is profitable.
and trapped the Russian Black sea fleet.
That’s their obligation by Bosphorus straits’ treaties.
A collapse of Russian power in the Caucus leaves them as top dog in the area.
What collapse?
If you mean Azeri aggression against Artsakh and subsequent ethnic cleansing, and occupation of sovereign territories of Armenia, by that - then it’s no surprise your other conclusions are such.
There wasn’t any collapse, Russia exchanged Armenia for Azerbaijan as their ally, or so they think. They are leaving both countries, while hoping, apparently, for Aliyev to be their friend, because he’s a MGIMO graduate and lectured there, a member of that kind of ex-Soviet elite that considers itself aristocracy by now.
They have a lot to gain from a Russian loss in Ukraine.
They are the main proxy for the Russian economy to avoid sanctions. They have a lot more to gain from the war going on.
But in any case - there is, of course, a component of conflict between Russia and Turkey, of the “who’ll be on top” kind.
Trump’s unreasonable nature is so obvious in the full video that I don’t see how anyone with two braincells can be on his side. Some highlights I want to share:
Reporter asks at 37:39 “… and who would protect those minerals … ?” Trump: “They’ll be protected. The agreement will protect them. The agreement, yeah we’re signing an agreement.” Reporter: “Right but what if Russia tries to invade or there’s russian agression in those spots.” Trump: “I just don’t think that’s going to happen.” He then deflects by trying to discredit the reporter since he couldn’t answer the question. So instead of giving Ukraine any guarantees or acknowledging Russia’s previous deceit, he hand waves it away.
At 33:45 “… what did [Putin] tell you that he wanted peace?”. Trump: “My whole life is deals … I’ve known him for a long time, he had to suffer through the Russia hoax, you know Russia Russia Russia it was a hoax. It was all Biden it was nothing to do with him … I think that he wants to make a deal and he would like to see it end.” What an absolute nothing answer. He’s asked why he believes this is viable and after a short attempt at making Russia the victim he just says, rephrased, “because, lol”.
At 39:50 Vance goes on a truly incoherent ramble about how Biden tried “thumping [his] chest and pretending that the president of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States’s actions” and thus “the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe in engaging in diplomacy”. Ah, diplomacy, the path that is famously known for it’s lack of words… sending money to Ukraine or providing military aid? Those aren’t actions, they’re just words. Zelensky goes on to ELI5 to Vance how Putin broke diplomacy before the clips everyone is posting begins.
And just for fun, at 30:15 Trump delivers a line so stupid it almost breaks Zelensky’s poker face: “I’ve stopped wars, I’ve stopped many wars. My people will tell you, I’ve stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. … I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war — I could tell you right now there is a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about.”
This is ignoring all the times they try and blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine which just ???
Their first, still very polite disagreement that evening was when Trump said that the US has given a lot more aid than Europe did, to which Zelensky very politely replies ‘they gave a lot’, clearly avoiding the obvious ‘they gave more’, to which Trump then replies ‘they gave a lot, but much less than we did’, to which Zelensky replies with a clear ‘no.’ and then they laugh. You could argue that Zelensky does not need to do that, but he gives credit where credit is due to the Europeans, and he doesn’t let a blatant lie about an ally slide. It’s the type of moment that’s beautiful and horrendous at the same time. Source: https://youtu.be/CSe0ntgfpq4?t=726
Real Art of The Deal shit.
Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.
Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.
Coming from YouTube, all the comments were saying Trump put Zelenksy in his place… are people actually that stupid, or is the whole internet edgy rightwing bots?
Yes
Your comment had me go to YouTube to check, and almost all the top 30 comments were pro Zelensky.
I wonder if YouTube shows you different ‘top’ comments based on their profile on you
Possible, they don’t seem to be sorted by either time, replies or likes.
I showed a clip of the meeting to someone I know and that is pretty much what they said.
We are so fucked.
Trump got elected twice, so I fear it might just be people.
The comment section of the video I watched said otherwise. Was the one you watched on the Fox channel by any chance? They be like that.
It was a left leaning UK channel, weirdly enough
What channel?
Think it was this video:
Looks like the comments are slightly more sane now than they were when I first saw it, which is good.
A good chunk of the comments will be straight up Russian propaganda. Another good chunk will be Americans who have bought into that propaganda wholeheartedly.
It’s an embarrassing time to be an American.
