Ngl this is what every single one of you fucking liberals calling me out about my substandard research practices makes me feel .
—— And you know like to be clear I am saying that as like that’s a Me problem. I need to figure out how the fuck to be able to accept criticism or none of this is gonna get to a point where it’s worth Jack.
This is why the right wing loves the poorly educated.
I had a similar run in with a friend who grew up in mid-western PA who had never heard of red lining and refused to believe that something like that happened in this country. He hoped on the crazy conspiracies train around the time COVID and I haven’t talked to him since.
I genuinely think that a lot of these “great again” folks don’t understand what things were like “back then” and that all this social progress actually happened. It’s sad.
You don’t need to worry about whether your thoughts are accurate. These people quite literally don’t know how anything works. They’re at the “ignorant enough to be dangerous” part of the dunning-kruger curve. Intelligent people don’t solidify opinions about topics they’ve never researched, and know nothing about. They don’t consider Fox News or their social media bubbles as research. They change their opinion based on evidence.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone on the MAGA spectrum of mental illness produce anything resembling a sound argument.
“That’s lEfTiST hiStORy”
Sounds like a classic, white washed Ivy League educational experience for the likely nepo-baby NYT reporter.
white washed Ivy League educational experience
The education at Ivies isn’t significantly different from the rest of higher ed. They even use the same cafeteria vendors. The primary difference is tuition.
The other likelihoods being poor middle/high school history programs/teachers due to decades of neglecting our educational system and devaluing teachers.
“Jim Crow? You mean like the character from Dumbo?”
Yes, literally!
New York Crimes
is that interview actually out there?
No, they surely would not lie, especially Online! Online is free of lies, don’t you know??
I had a discussion with a leftist - again, this is true - and told them about the famines in the Soviet Union and Maoist China. Said they’d have to independently verify that famines happened in socialist countries because it sounded like I was pushing a specific agenda.
i don't believe you the nyt would never do thaSounds super real and like it definitely happened
Whenever I see a story that seems far fetched, I try to think about it more broadly.
Was it a NYT reporter who hadn’t heard of Jim Crow laws? Maybe, could’ve been a nobody intern who grew up in the South. Besides that, I fully believe this conversation has occurred with an ignorant person, if not a NYT reporter.
who grew up in the South
I would expect somebody who grew up in the South to be more likely to have heard about Jim Crow than somebody who grew up in some supermajority-white place like the mountain west or whatever.
supermajority-white place like the mountain west or whatever
Hey that’s where I’m from. But even I remember touching on Jim Crow laws in grade school, and coming back to it in more depth in highschool. So I don’t mean to be the “nothing’s real on the Internet” guy, but I do find it hard to believe that the term “Jim Crow” didn’t even ring a bell for the reporter. But idk, there’s lots of stupid people in high places, so I won’t doubt that it happened either.
But there is a very specific agenda here. So say to people who already think that the NYT is bad, that the NYT employs people without even the slightest understanding of history. I highly doubt this happened.
Maybe your trust of this institution is severely miss placed.
When I went looking for this there’s MANY more.
Don’t downvote people for being skeptical on the internet folks, we want to encourage it.
Am I doing that? Seems to me like that’s getting done to me.
…So, you think her story is too unbelievable, that the NYT would never do such a thing, and that she made it up to push a specific agenda?
Hm…
Yes, I too am sure of every idea I have
I grew up partially in the absolute middle of nowhere texas. We still learned about jim crow there.
Oklahoma here, we definitely learned about it too.
But take like the Tulsa Race Massacre. I grew up hearing it called the Tulsa Race Riots, but I don’t recall ever being taught about it in school, I heard about it from my parents. I still didn’t really know much about it until several years ago. I literally grew up in Tulsa lol.
Edit: not to say I believe the story. But I think it’s possible. I heard about the Massacre from my stepmom, who did a paper on it in college (mid 80s), and apparently had trouble finding a lot of different source material at the library.
That doesn’t mean it’s not true. From my school days, I remember heated shouting matches with other students who insisted that our teacher definitely never ever taught us “specific thing X” which they definitely did the week before, while I knew for a fact that the person I was arguing with had sat one row behind me in that very class.
